Tesla Supercharger Network

I love surprises when no one had knowledge of this one.
Alabama just got their first SC in Greenvile with 6 stalls.

Zythryn said:

GRA said:

... As I pointed out above, I'm critical of them because they chose not to to reach their target even though they easily could have done so, which is a very different thing.

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This is where I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
I believe Tesla had sound business reasons combined with more difficulty than they expected to.
I know of one of the SC stations that had the equipment onsite for a full year before the permits got approved.
You can make the assumption that the full expansion could have been done "easily". I'll chose to give them the benifit of the doubt as the job they have been doing has been great.

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I love when people use common sense! Thanks, Zythryn.

Change from yesterday:
North America Today [was 136] 139 stations
Canada Europe Today [was 107] 108 stations
Asia Today [was 39] 40 stations

scottf200 said:

Zythryn said:

GRA said:

... As I pointed out above, I'm critical of them because they chose not to to reach their target even though they easily could have done so, which is a very different thing.

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This is where I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
I believe Tesla had sound business reasons combined with more difficulty than they expected to.
I know of one of the SC stations that had the equipment onsite for a full year before the permits got approved.
You can make the assumption that the full expansion could have been done "easily". I'll chose to give them the benifit of the doubt as the job they have been doing has been great.

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I love when people use common sense! Thanks, Zythryn.

Change from yesterday:
North America Today [was 136] 139 stations
Canada Europe Today [was 107] 108 stations
Asia Today [was 39] 40 stations

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If we want to talk about common sense, does anyone want to take bets on whether or not there are now more SC stalls in Montana (28) than there are Tesla owners there? How about whether or not there are more SC sites (6) in Montana than there are owners? [Edit: Okay, it's not quite that bad. The map linked upthread on page 58 showed 11-39 Model S in Montana at that time (up to Nov. 2013). Of course, MT now has 6 SCs containing 28 stalls, while TX, shown on that same map as having 500-1,199 Teslas, remains served by 5 SCs with 31 stalls. Common sense? Don't make me laugh!] And Tesla keeps on plowing ahead with this, despite the fact that they missed the summer vacation season and the ground is now partly or wholly frozen and conditions generally miserable, diverting crews who could be doing SC installs in other areas.

Common sense would indicate that I-90 in the NW should be left to complete for after the spring thaw, with all the permits lined up beforehand so that they are, in that phrase so beloved of the political class, shovel-ready. Start say mid-April, finish before mid-June and the summer vacation season, which is the only time this area is likely to see significant traffic. In the meantime, I-70 and especially the warmer climate I-10 between Columbus, TX and Lake City, FL plus I-35 between DFW and Topeka remain uncompleted. Gee, I wonder if more people are likely to drive to New Orleans from east or west over the winter than to, say, Butte. Yeah, Tesla's demonstrating just tons of common sense there.

On the positive side, West Hartford was much needed, and that plus Brattleboro will open up a lot of ski areas in New England.

As of 12/5/14, Greenville, AL with 6 stalls is listed and mapped. Total U.S. SCs now 35/136/874.

Most recent full list here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=690" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Master list showing all locations, plus opening dates after 1/14 can be found here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=670" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Site with a map showing all SCs open or known to be under construction or permitted, plus lots of other stuff can be found here:

http://supercharge.info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GRA said:

If we want to talk about common sense, does anyone want to take bets on whether or not there are now more SC stalls in Montana (28) than there are Tesla owners there?

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To me common sense is the SuperChargers in Montana are part of the northern cross America route vs just for the MT Tesla owners. Personally I'm looking forward to using them.
GIF of Tesla Supercharger maps as of 07Dec2014:

Reminder of the start:

scottf200 said:

GRA said:

If we want to talk about common sense, does anyone want to take bets on whether or not there are now more SC stalls in Montana (28) than there are Tesla owners there?

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To me common sense is the SuperChargers in Montana are part of the northern cross America route vs just for the MT Tesla owners. Personally I'm looking forward to using them.

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Common sense would say that since you can't actually get to them from either end yet (well, if you've got an 85 and the conditions are spectacularly good in winter, you might be able to make the Ritzville-Superior leg), being able to use them for X-C trips (few though they will undoubtedly be on that or any other route) is not an issue. Meanwhile, the I-70 X-C route, serving a much larger population and passing through less frigid temp areas, still remains unfinished, while the I-10 X-C route, which is a guaranteed all-weather route and has large populations of Tesla at both ends as well as in the middle, remains even more incomplete. In fact, it's barely started.

So, if your definition of common sense is to install, ahead of other areas, the largest number of SCs/capita to serve the smallest # of Teslas at the highest possible price/Tesla, then Tesla devoting so much effort to building out the MT SC network and not connecting it at either end, is indeed common sense. We now have two major SC islands in the U.S., albeit one is populated by a single hermit and is accessible at extreme low tides along a causeway on one side, while the other is larger than any country in Western Europe, has a population second only to California's and a large number of Teslas, but owners can only travel via SC in a triangle around the interior.

Incredible world wide work no matter what the naysayers think without knowing the details and issues with every major route.

Benz TeslaMotorClub
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/8590-Tesla-Supercharger-network/page584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Suspect these holes will be filled soon.

I wonder how many naysayers there were when the transcontinental railroad was built. :roll:

JeremyW said:

I wonder how many naysayers there were when the transcontinental railroad was built. :roll:

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the transcontinental railroad wasn't built haphazardly like the SC network is being implemented

JeremyW said:

I wonder how many naysayers there were when the transcontinental railroad was built. :roll:

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That is pretty good and I'm sure there were many. Lot of "Sunday Quarterbacks" without the inter-working knowledge of the challenges and implementation ebb and flow.

To be honest, I often compare the Supercharger routes to the railroad because you have to generally stay on the "tracks". I don't really like that and would actually pay for a larger than 85kWh battery to give me more flexibility. I wasn't always a fan of Tesla but they have proven themselves albeit late in virtually everything they do ... none-the-less what they do put out is excellent and that is why I'm a reasonable fan and have a deposit down on a Model X.

That "Reminder of the start" GIF above is impressive. I remember listening to the announcement way back when.

JeremyW said:

I wonder how many naysayers there were when the transcontinental railroad was built. :roll:

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Probably a lot of naysayers among the Plains Indians.

bigrob90 said:

JeremyW said:

I wonder how many naysayers there were when the transcontinental railroad was built. :roll:

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Probably a lot of naysayers among the Plains Indians.

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Among others, including the cities/towns that were bypassed because they wouldn't/couldn't give the railroads big enough bennies in town (much like the gigafactory negotiations) , and the public and press who noted the incredible corruption involved as well as the hurried, shoddy construction that required much of the route to be rebuilt almost immediately after it was 'completed'. For some details, see "Railroaded: The Transcontinentals and the Making of Modern America", by Richard White; http://www.amazon.com/Railroaded-Transcontinentals-Making-Modern-America/dp/0393342379" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

scottf200 said:

Incredible world wide work no matter what the naysayers think without knowing the details and issues with every major route.

Benz TeslaMotorClub
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/8590-Tesla-Supercharger-network/page584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Update including December 7th, 2014:

North America
2012:  0 +  0 +  2 +  7 =  9
2013:  0 +  2 + 11 + 28 = 41
2014: 32 + 16 + 19 + 23 = 90
Total:     9 + 41 + 90 = 140

Europe
2013: 0 +  0 +  6 +  8 = 14
2014: 0 + 10 + 46 + 40 = 96 (Including: Berlin, Germany)
Total:        14 + 96 = 110

Asia
2014: 0 + 3 + 16 + 22 = 41

Global total: 140 + 110 + 41 = 291

2014 total so far: 90 + 96 + 41 = 227

Q1 2014 total:  32 +  0 +  0 = 32
Q2 2014 total:  16 + 10 +  3 = 29
Q3 2014 total:  19 + 46 + 16 = 81
Q4 2014 so far: 23 + 40 + 22 = 85

First  half of 2014: 32 + 29 = 61
Second half of 2014 (so far a total of 160 days): 81 + 85 = 166
Remaining days in second half of 2014: 24

166 new live Supercharger stations in 160 days (in second half of 2014), that's even more than 1 new live Supercharger station per day, that's extraordinary!!!

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Notable is the falloff in completion rates in the U.S. after the 1Q of this year when the initial inefficient X-C route was completed, and the fact that while the maximum number of SCs completed in a quarter in Europe reached 46, it has never exceeded 32 in the U.S. and has not reached 2/3rds of that since, although they may at least approach 32 by the end of this month. How is it that they can build 46 followed by 40 superchargers in the best weather months in Europe, but only 16 followed by 19 here? Clearly, this was not due to events beyond their control, but was a deliberate decision on their part to de-emphasize U.S. SC installs.

As of 12/10/14, Hope, BC with 6 stalls is listed and mapped. Total Canadian SCs now 2/4/26.

Most recent full list here:

http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=690" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Master list showing all locations, plus opening dates after 1/14 can be found here:

http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=670" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Site with a map showing all SCs open or known to be under construction or permitted, plus lots of other stuff can be found here:

http://supercharge.info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As of 12/17/14, Cabazon, CA. with 10 stalls is listed and mapped. Total U.S. SCs now 35/137/884.

Most recent full list here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=690" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Master list showing all locations, plus opening dates after 1/14 can be found here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=670" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Site with a map showing all SCs open or known to be under construction or permitted, plus lots of other stuff can be found here:

http://supercharge.info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As of 12/18/14, Woodstock, ON, with 8 stalls is listed and mapped. Total Canadian SCs now 2/5/34.

Most recent full list here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=690" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Master list showing all locations, plus opening dates after 1/14 can be found here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=670" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Site with a map showing all SCs open or known to be under construction or permitted, plus lots of other stuff can be found here:

http://supercharge.info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tesla's latest news indicates that the "battery swap" concept is to be tested at a facility across from the SC
station on the I5 at the Harris Ranch, CA. The price indicated is $60 - $80 for the swap which requires
the battery owner to "recover" his original battery or pay a "fee" (undetermined). Tesla has "invited" a select
group of owners to participate in the test program. Hopefully, drivers on the I5 won't be seeing battery
coolant on the lanes near the Harris Ranch nor tow trucks on the I5 towing MS's. Most wise MS owners might
choose to SC and take a 45 minute break inside the restaurant there than have their MS "worked-on".

As of 12/19/14, Atlanta, GA with 10 stalls and Culver City, CA with 12 stalls are listed and mapped. California now has 20 SC locations with a total of 155 stalls. Total U.S. SCs now 35/139/906.

Most recent full list here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=690" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Master list showing all locations, plus opening dates after 1/14 can be found here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=670" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Site with a map showing all SCs open or known to be under construction or permitted, plus lots of other stuff can be found here:

http://supercharge.info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

St. Charles, Louisiana & Auburn, Alabama both opened today with 6 stalls each.

The route out of Texas along the gulf coast has finally started!

http://www.teslamotors.com/findus#/bounds/31.963157140733017,-90.436282,28.402800028417765,-96.061282,d?search=supercharger" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;,

Zythryn said:

St. Charles, Louisiana & Auburn, Alabama both opened today with 6 stalls each.

The route out of Texas along the gulf coast has finally started!

http://www.teslamotors.com/findus#/bounds/31.963157140733017,-90.436282,28.402800028417765,-96.061282,d?search=supercharger" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;,

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http://supercharge.info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; at 125 miles but 225 is good for 85kWh and good weather and modest driving speeds.