WetEV said:
RegGuheert said:
James Clerk Maxwell put forth {denier blog reference deleted} the proper understanding of the temperature gradient in our atmosphere to counter Arrhenius' nonsense.
Oh, amusing! You have YET another NEW THEORY of how the climate system operates.
There is nothing new about a theory that Maxwell explained back in 1888 and was formalized in the middle of the 20th century and detailed in
"The US Standard Atmosphere 1976". What is NEW is the idea that somehow CO2 is the dominant force in our climate. It is but a bit player. Virtually every prediction made using this idea has turned out to be incorrect. That is not a scientific theory: it is a religious belief.
WetEV said:
I wish you could pick just one.
I have only picked just one: the one correct understanding of the temperature gradient in the troposphere. Above that level, radiation does become important since the other methods of heat transfer become insignificant.
Since you don't seem to understand why molecules have to cool at the top of a force field, I'll quote from the centrifuge article to make it clear to everyone:
SciTechDaily said:
“Additionally, the molecules are exposed to the outwardly directed centrifugal force,” adds Martin Zeppenfeld. “On their way to the center, the particles must surmount a huge mountain, and are continuously decelerated while doing so, until they finally come almost to a standstill.” For comparison: for the particles to experience the same braking effect in the Earth’s gravitational field, they would have to fly 2,000 meters upward.
Bolding mine.
It's rather simple physics, but many seem to not understand it. Here is how it works: Any molecule in the atmosphere traveling AWAY FROM the center of gravity will LOSE kinetic energy as it travels. Any molecule in the atmosphere traveling TOWARD the center of gravity will GAIN kinetic energy. The simple result is that gases in a vertical arrangement in a gravitational field will have higher temperatures in the lower atmosphere and will have lower temperatures in the higher atmosphere (until the air is VERY rare and radiation effects become important).
On Earth, the radiation balance is achieved at a point high in the troposphere and the temperature rises as you go down from that point toward the surface (and drops as you go higher in the troposphere). Gravity makes the conversion from potential energy to kinetic energy in the molecules, creating this temperature gradient.
There are minor radiation effects in the troposphere, as well, but the exchange between potential energy is the dominant effect related to the temperature gradient in that portion of the atmosphere.
sarc
You may want to let the researchers at the Max Planck Institute know that their molecules did not REALLY cool from 100K to 1K as they climbed through the force field created by the centrifuge as they approach the center and also about them equating that to a molecule traveling 2 km upward in the Earth's atmosphere. That should save them from further embarrassment from their misunderstanding of basic physics. Clearly these molecules should stay at exactly the same temperature as they move up and down through the force field. You can give them the sources you gave to me to prove it!
/sarc
