DaveinOlyWA said:This makes a purchase decision quite difficult although with recent news, I don't know what the SC rates will be as I was under impression that it would be 11 cents/kwh but that is apparently only an S/X rate?
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DaveinOlyWA said:This makes a purchase decision quite difficult although with recent news, I don't know what the SC rates will be as I was under impression that it would be 11 cents/kwh but that is apparently only an S/X rate?
SC are mainly for traveling unless you can't charge at home (apartment/condo/etc). Most will charge at their homes with cheaper rates than they would get at SCs.DaveinOlyWA said:Don't have to go to China to see that. Tesla has urban SCs planned for nearly every "somewhat" major city in Western WA. I went from 5 in my region planned to a dozen by 2018. The plans are very ambitious.
This makes a purchase decision quite difficult although with recent news, I don't know what the SC rates will be as I was under impression that it would be 11 cents/kwh but that is apparently only an S/X rate?
For example, drivers in California will pay $0.20/kWh, while New York charging will cost $0.19/kWh, and Illinois charging for $0.15/kWh. Affected Tesla owners will enter their credit card number on Tesla’s website, where all charging will be managed.
If customers travel beyond their annual credit, they will be charged a small fee to Supercharge. In North America, pricing is fixed within each state or province; overseas, pricing is fixed within each country. In most regions, Tesla owners will pay per kWh as it’s the fairest way to pay for the exact energy used. However, due to local regulations, in several regions we will charge per minute of usage instead, though we are actively working with regulators to update the rules. What’s important is that in every region, Supercharging will remain simple, seamless and always significantly cheaper than gasoline. We are only aiming to recover a portion of our costs and set up a fair system for everyone; this will never be a profit center for Tesla. Customers can just plug in, charge up, and access their charging history on our website.
scottf200 said:SC are mainly for traveling unless you can't charge at home (apartment/condo/etc). Most will charge at their homes with cheaper rates than they would get at SCs.DaveinOlyWA said:Don't have to go to China to see that. Tesla has urban SCs planned for nearly every "somewhat" major city in Western WA. I went from 5 in my region planned to a dozen by 2018. The plans are very ambitious.
This makes a purchase decision quite difficult although with recent news, I don't know what the SC rates will be as I was under impression that it would be 11 cents/kwh but that is apparently only an S/X rate?
I've never seen anything that says there is a different rate for S/X vs 3s. S/X get 400 kWh annually before being charged. 3s do not. If you got the S/X using a referral (even to yourself if you are a current owner upgrading or buying another for spouse, etc) then you still get lifetime supercharging. that referral last until end of 2017 (unless it is added again for enticing sales in 2018).
Re: different charge rates
https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/12/14257914/tesla-supercharger-cost-electric-car-charging
For example, drivers in California will pay $0.20/kWh, while New York charging will cost $0.19/kWh, and Illinois charging for $0.15/kWh. Affected Tesla owners will enter their credit card number on Tesla’s website, where all charging will be managed.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/building-supercharger-network-future
If customers travel beyond their annual credit, they will be charged a small fee to Supercharge. In North America, pricing is fixed within each state or province; overseas, pricing is fixed within each country. In most regions, Tesla owners will pay per kWh as it’s the fairest way to pay for the exact energy used. However, due to local regulations, in several regions we will charge per minute of usage instead, though we are actively working with regulators to update the rules. What’s important is that in every region, Supercharging will remain simple, seamless and always significantly cheaper than gasoline. We are only aiming to recover a portion of our costs and set up a fair system for everyone; this will never be a profit center for Tesla. Customers can just plug in, charge up, and access their charging history on our website.
The urban Superchargers charge at 72 kW; since they aren't paired, as with regular Superchargers, the charge rate isn't limited by someone else being on the same circuit.DaveinOlyWA said:Well, I am guessing you can find it easily enough but the quid pro quo is extrapolating assumptive data from tweets and the variance in SC rates was one done by others so its a who knows, we'll see but the reality is that it won't change my mind in one way or another anyway.
As far as SC's though, there is a LOT of talk that the urban locations have a different role that is both for apt dwellers and local travellers to grab a boost and these stations will be at a lower power level. I think 80 KW was mentioned somewhere?
As far as the statement that SCs are designed to be used for long distance travel?
Hard to accept that when we have 3 in Seattle along with one in Bellevue, Redmond and Lynwood. This makes 6 locations in an area that measures roughly 25 miles by 10ish?
Alabama $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
Arizona $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
California $0.20 per kWh
Colorado $0.13 per kWh
Connecticut $0.26 per minute above 60 kW, $0.13 per minute at or below 60 kW
Delaware $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
Florida $0.13 per kWh
Georgia $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Idaho $0.12 per kWh
Illinois $0.15 per kWh
Indiana $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Iowa $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Kansas $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
Kentucky $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Lousiana $0.14 per minute above 60 kW, $0.07 per minute at or below 60 kW
Maine $0.21 per kWh
Maryland $0.16 per kWh
Massachusetts $0.22 per kWh
Minnesota $0.14 per kWh
Michigan $0.20 per minute above 60 kW, $0.10 per minute at or below 60 kW
Mississippi $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Missouri $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Montana $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Nebraska $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Nevada $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
New Hampshire $0.24 per minute above 60 kW, $0.12 per minute at or below 60 kW
New Jersey $0.20 per minute above 60 kW, $0.10 per minute at or below 60 kW
New Mexico $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
New York $0.19 per kWh
North Carolina $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Ohio $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
Oklahoma $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Oregon $0.12 per kWh
Pennsylvania $0.20 per minute above 60 kW, $0.10 per minute at or below 60 kW
Rhode Island $0.24 per minute above 60 kW, $0.12 per minute at or below 60 kW
South Carolina $0.18 per minute above 60 kW, $0.09 per minute at or below 60 kW
South Dakota $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Tennessee $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Texas $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
Utah $0.13 per kWh
Vermont $0.22 per minute above 60 kW, $0.11 per minute at or below 60 kW
Virginia $0.13 per kWh
Washington $0.11 per kWh
West Virginia $0.11 per kWh
Wisconsin $0.20 per minute above 60 kW, $0.10 per minute at or below 60 kW
Wyoming $0.16 per minute above 60 kW, $0.08 per minute at or below 60 kW
[Since I assembled this data myself by brute force, it may have some inaccuracies.]
Q: Do Superchargers in urban areas charge as quickly as other Superchargers? How long will charging take?
A: Consistent with the rest of our network, Superchargers in urban areas are located in places where it’s convenient to spend time, like grocery stores or shopping centers, which means owners can charge while going about their weekly routine. Superchargers in urban areas deliver a nearly consistent 72 kilowatts (kW) of power, even if another Tesla begins charging in an adjacent stall. This creates a predictable charging experience with an average Supercharging session lasting around 45-50 minutes in city centers.
Q: How will the installation of Superchargers in urban areas be prioritized relative to Superchargers along long-distance routes?
A: We will continue to build out Supercharger stations that support both long distance travel and urban living so that charging is always convenient, abundant, and reliable no matter where you go. Please refer to the interactive Supercharger map for current and upcoming stations.
Q: Do I need to install charging at home now that these new Superchargers are available?
A: The convenience of home charging is one of the best ways to live with a Tesla and there is no need to travel to get a full charge. We recommend an easily installable Level 2 charging solution at home whenever possible. Superchargers are ideal while home charging is being established, while on a road trip, or while visiting from out of town.
This has been a problem with Superchargers in some places heavily populated with Teslas, such as much of California and a few spots on the East Coast. Tesla is dealing with the problem in several ways:Durandal said:I am sure this happens with superchargers, but one of the problems I've been finding with L2 chargers in my area is people in PHEVs camping out at L2 chargers to get their "free" power when it arguably isn't needed. I have to rush to a certain L2 location if I need an extra charge in my Leaf for errands to beat the Volt that will campt out at the L2 for 5 hours during a day. I don't understand the logic of people making a big effort to save $1/day when it's easier and simpler to just plug in at home. If the Superchargers are in any cases cheaper than charging at home, you'll have people who will do it, even if it would be more convenient to plug in at home. All the L2 chargers around here are free, but I only utilize them if I really need to, otherwise I go plug in at home.. Sigh.
When you are Supercharging (DC) you can not change the charging speed. They expect you want to charge as fast as possible (plus wouldn't want new owners to accidentally do slower charging and have a bad experience). When supercharging you can change your limit to say 90% vs 100%. If you are shopping or eating you can look on your phone app and see what SOC percentage you are at, plus it will give you some notice that you car is about full *enough* to get to your next destination (ie. if you have a nav route planned).hyperionmark said:Question from someone that doesn't own a Tesla, but hopes to in the next couple years:
Isn't there a way to set your charging speed via the app or car display? In most situations you would obviously want the fastest charge possible, but if the station was empty (so being rude and taking up a spot isn't an issue), and you were going to be at the supercharger for quite a while (shopping or eating), wouldn't it be better to see the charge rate just below 60 kW? Is that possible? Thanks....from a newb
Just an update from that Sept. 20th post: 21 U.S. SC sites were completed in September, 20 in October. As noted above, they needed to average 25/month for the last four months of the year to reach 150 new U.S. SCs for the year, and they're falling short of even that mark, which is less than half of what they were claiming at the end of 4Q 2016.GRA said:Yes, and once that happens I count them as open. Some, of course, take much longer, such as Laramie, WY, which was first used on Sept. 1st but is still shown as opening soon, or Grasonville, MD, which was first used on Aug. 18th but wasn't officially open until Sept. 4th.scottf200 said:All four of them show as open on the Tesla web page just a few days later.GRA said:And I'll again add that only two of those four are listed as open by Tesla yet. I leave it up to those who may be counting on them to check which are which for yourself.
Yes, up to 16 officially for the month, which I think ties the monthly opening record. Can they get to 25 in 10 more days, and then sustain 25 for the remaining months to get to my February estimate of 150 U.S. for the year (instead of 363 for all of North America, which Tesla stated was their intention)? As to date they've only completed 10 in Canada and Mexico combined, they are obviously going to fall well short again, and it seems unlikely they'll even get to 50%.scottf200 said:Since then several more opened and a few more under construction.
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scottf200 said:Quite a start to this month as well.
Oh yes, we Tesla owners in western Colorado were very excited when a TMC forum member, who lives fairly near Poncha Springs, reported the building permit and, now, construction beginning.GRA said:...For dgpcolorado and others in case they missed it in scottf200's most recent list, Poncha Springs started construction on Nov. 4th.
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