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smkettner said:
"Tesla said it expects to have Model X prototypes on the road by the end of the year and will begin deliveries to customers in the spring of next year."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/19/us-tesla-results-idUSBREA1I23D20140219

Yes, sounds like the X intro has been delayed (still listed as "DELIVERIES BEGIN IN 2014" at the Tesla site) and the "third generation car" (affordable Tesla) is still but a gleam in Elon's eye.

...Operating expenses and capital expenditures will increase significantly in 2014, as we plan to invest in the long term
growth of Tesla. We plan to expand production capacity for Model S and Model X, invest in our store, service and Supercharger infrastructure, complete the development of Model X and start early design work on our third generation car...

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ABEA-4CW8X0/2970796951x0x727013/9885dd26-2e82-4052-b171-3685fd8150b3/Q4'13%20Shareholder%20Letter.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Deliveries to start in 2019...maybe?
 
edatoakrun said:
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Deliveries to start in 2019...maybe?

In the meeting Elton said the are still shooting for 2017 for the third gen.
I would not be surprised to see it slip to 2018, but I doubt it would be 2019.
 
Looks like another delay in the offing

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/10/16/tesla-model-x-delay/17366215/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I fear the falcon wing door thing will end in tears.
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
Looks like another delay in the offing

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/10/16/tesla-model-x-delay/17366215/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I fear the falcon wing door thing will end in tears.

Anylysts have been predicting many things about Tesla over the years;
that the Model S was vaporware and would never be seen,
That they would never find the demand they were predicting,
That the free titanium shield update would bankrupt them...

While delays are always possible with this size of a project, especially for this young of a company, I'll wait till I hear it from Tesla.
 
Zythryn said:
While delays are always possible with this size of a project, especially for this young of a company, I'll wait till I hear it from Tesla.
I thought it was VERY cool that the Model S will get AWD and be out in Dec as this will give them a lot of testing with the equivalent Model X drivetrain. I'm counting on April ...
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
It does create a second hand car market for tesla. As those with lots of money with sell their first s for the new one.

I've noticed that the number of Tesla S cars on eBay has grown MANY times over in the past week, since the D announcement. My Tesla advisor says his email is full of S owners who want to trade in their RWD S for a D model. If it wouldn't be for the fact that I want the new D feature, and my wife loves the Autopilot features, I would just wait until next year and snag a used S, as I'm sure this has to bring down their market value a little, with so many flooding the market.
 
"Informed speculation" on the main reasons the X is not here yet, and why it may not be "on track for a Q3 launch".

Earnings statement this Afternoon may offer more.

Why Tesla Model X Electric SUV Is Late: Range, Towing, 'Falcon Doors'

By John Voelcker

...what follows is thus largely speculation, though we'd suggest it's informed speculation.

For many, that will dilute its credibility. Still, we thought our various discussion would be worth summarizing.

Here are the three reasons we think the Model X schedule lagged significantly from its originally announced launch date of late 2013.

(1) RANGE RATINGS

EPA range ratings for the various Tesla Model S versions range from 208 miles (with the 60-kilowatt-hour battery pack) to 270 miles (the 85-kWh "D" all-wheel-drive variant).

The Model X crossover utility will have all-wheel drive as standard equipment--but it's larger and heavier, and has a greater cross-sectional area, than the lower, lighter, sleeker Model S.

A 60-kWh version could well be rated under 200 miles, likely making it a non-starter at a price of $70,000 or higher. The 85-kWh Model X would likely hit about 225 miles of range...

That means that Tesla is likely working furiously to get every single additional mile of rated range out of the Model X...

(2) STRUCTURAL IMPACT OF FALCON DOORS

...There may remain two issues: Side-impact protection, and the effect of the complicated torsion springs on the aluminum roof structure...

3) TOWING CAPABILITY
...sustaining the maximum output of electric motors in continuous use puts huge thermal loads on them--just as racing does...

But even the glycol-based coolant system in the Model S P85D may not suffice to protect the Model X motors while towing at capacity, especially if going from, say, San Francisco to Reno, a 5,000-foot increase in elevation.

Tesla may now be testing a thermal-conditioning system that uses refrigerant, like an air-conditioning system that actively removes heat from the coolant rather than simply shedding it via radiators...

The big worry for more than one of our sources is this: Has the Model X team managed to solve all of these problems to the point that the electric SUV can go into mass production six month hence?

"I personally think we are 18-24 months away from a general Model X release right now," said the most pessimistic of our sources.

"I am just not seeing a company ramping up tooling and equipment to deliver a new vehicle in less than four or five months from now."...

Tesla affirmed just last week, however, that in fact it is "on track for a Q3 launch."

The company is scheduled to release its fourth-quarter and full-year earnings this Wednesday after the stock market closes.

It may offer further details on the Model X schedule at that time.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1096685_why-tesla-model-x-electric-suv-is-late-range-towing-falcon-doors" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Take a look at this photo of the Model X mule that was recently recorded undergoing testing at Alameda.

Look closely at the rear edge of the falcon door. It appears to not be shut completely. Yet the front edge appears fine. After seeing this, I was wondering if they were having problems with too much body flex when driven hard, causing the door latch to pop.
 
Here's why I consider fuel cells more practical for a winter CUV at the moment, at least until battery packs have grown to the point that it's a non-issue:
Tesla Battery Range in Sub-Zero and Snowy Conditions
http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-battery-range-sub-zero-snowy-conditions/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm guessing that the Model X range will be 10-20% worse with the same battery, given the extra weight and drag.
 
Tesla Q4 2014 report
http://insideevs.com/tesla-reports-q4-2014-earnings/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“In March, we will start building and testing a small fleet of Release Candidate Model X vehicles that will be very close to the final production-intent design. Finally, since Model S and Model X will share the same dual motor powertrain, the introduction of All-Wheel Drive Dual Motor Model S helps reduce some of the risk that would otherwise have been associated with the launch and production ramp of Model X.”
Title: Tesla Model X Spotted Testing On Public Roads With Tow Hitch
http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-x-spotted-testing-public-roads-tow-hitch/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
scottf200 said:
Title: Tesla Model X Spotted Testing On Public Roads With Tow Hitch
http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-x-spotted-testing-public-roads-tow-hitch/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Does it look to anyone else that the roof height of that X may have been lowered from the earlier prototype, presumably to lower aero drag?

GRA said:
...I'm guessing that the Model X range will be 10-20% worse with the same battery, given the extra weight and drag.
Could be even more than 20% worse, in some conditions.

All depends on how fast you drive, and how cold it is.

Think about winter driving, freeway speeds, with a full load (~7000 lbs. GVW) and large ascent, and don't forget the added drag from the ski rack.

Might even take the X two re-charge stops, to get from the Bay area to the slopes.
 
scottf200 said:
Title: Tesla Model X Spotted Testing On Public Roads With Tow Hitch
http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-x-spotted-testing-public-roads-tow-hitch/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Full size receiver, should be all set for an Airstream.
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
scottf200 said:
Title: Tesla Model X Spotted Testing On Public Roads With Tow Hitch
http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-x-spotted-testing-public-roads-tow-hitch/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Full size receiver, should be all set for an Airstream.

That probably won't be so funny, after some poor schmuck tries to tow a heavy load, up a long, steep, grade...
 
edatoakrun said:
LTLFTcomposite said:
scottf200 said:
Title: Tesla Model X Spotted Testing On Public Roads With Tow Hitch
http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-x-spotted-testing-public-roads-tow-hitch/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Full size receiver, should be all set for an Airstream.

That probably won't be so funny, after some poor schmuck tries to tow a heavy load, up a long, steep, grade...

Ah, then Tesla can add the "Towing package" option, with extra cooling.
 
edatoakrun said:
...and don't forget the added drag from the ski rack.
I can't wait to see the look on the face of the first person who installs a ski rack on their Model X and then realizes that they now can't open the rear doors.
 
WetEV said:
...Ah, then Tesla can add the "Towing package" option, with extra cooling.
If the X has the charge port in the wrong (rear) location, like the S, won't you have to unhitch any trailer, just to DC charge?

I doubt high voltage DC extension cords are a good idea...

I'd much prefer one of these, with a ~10kW propane fueled Range extender:


Nissan e-NV200 Transformed Into World’s First Electric Camper Van


http://insideevs.com/nissan-e-nv200-transformed-worlds-first-electric-camper-van/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
edatoakrun said:
LTLFTcomposite said:
scottf200 said:
Title: Tesla Model X Spotted Testing On Public Roads With Tow Hitch
http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-x-spotted-testing-public-roads-tow-hitch/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Full size receiver, should be all set for an Airstream.

That probably won't be so funny, after some poor schmuck tries to tow a heavy load, up a long, steep, grade...

Shouldn't be that bad, this was always their marketing bit... I smell a partnership opportunity.

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