JasonA
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Getting alittle warm in the garage?? :lol:
Don't worry, it was only 104* in mine
Don't worry, it was only 104* in mine
cossie1600 said:As an owner of a Leaf and a RAV4, I can say this without bias. If you can afford it, buy the RAV4. It is SO MUCH better than the Leaf no matter how you look at it. I mean it does cost more money and uses more energy, but the car drives better, has more power, more usable space and way more options. I mean I don't mind getting into my S to get to and from work, but there is no way I want to drive the Leaf daily as it is not comfortable. Also the range on the Leaf is optimistic at best. You can beat the crap out of the RAV4 and it will deliver close to what it indicates. There is absolutely no comparsion, hands down RAV4 is a better car. At roughly $35K, it beats buying a SL with premium package for sure.
JasonA said:Getting alittle warm in the garage?? :lol:
Don't worry, it was only 104* in mine
arnolddeleon said:cossie1600 said:As an owner of a Leaf and a RAV4, I can say this without bias. If you can afford it, buy the RAV4. It is SO MUCH better than the Leaf no matter how you look at it. I mean it does cost more money and uses more energy, but the car drives better, has more power, more usable space and way more options. I mean I don't mind getting into my S to get to and from work, but there is no way I want to drive the Leaf daily as it is not comfortable. Also the range on the Leaf is optimistic at best. You can beat the crap out of the RAV4 and it will deliver close to what it indicates. There is absolutely no comparsion, hands down RAV4 is a better car. At roughly $35K, it beats buying a SL with premium package for sure.
We own a 2011 LEAF and I replaced a 2002 RAV4-EV with 2012 RAV4-EV and I generally agree with cossie1600. For me there is one crucial (but huge) difference, the battery size. Once you've driven with a bigger battery it is hard to go back. I love the LEAF, I like the fact it is more efficient but the significantly more range in the RAV is such a joy. The paradox of the success of EVs in the SF bay area is that number of EVs far outstrip available charging stations so it is challenge to "guarantee" charging will be available for a trip. With the new RAV4-EV I can drive from Cupertino to SF/Berkeley and back at the speed limit with plenty of range left over.
Obviously a Tesla would also do the job for a bigger dent in the pocketbook.
arnold
arnolddeleon said:For me there is one crucial (but huge) difference, the battery size.
DaveinOlyWA said:Dianne reported at least 45 sales this month up thru yesterday morning what u saw was probably one of them
I imagine being open on pricing and not trying to play games will go a long way with the majority of people who hate dealing with car salespeople. Especially with the generally better-informed EV market.TonyWilliams said:DaveinOlyWA said:Dianne reported at least 45 sales this month up thru yesterday morning what u saw was probably one of them
Dianne made $45,000 in direct "spiffs" from Toyota USA, and her manager got $22,750. It's amazing how she can sell 45 when most of the approved dealers are lucky to sell one.
TonyWilliams said:Dianne made $45,000 in direct "spiffs" from Toyota USA, and her manager got $22,750. It's amazing how she can sell 45 when most of the approved dealers are lucky to sell one.
DaveinOlyWA said:$135 for the J-1772 handle? nice! prices finally getting "semi" reasonable
mwalsh said:DaveinOlyWA said:$135 for the J-1772 handle? nice! prices finally getting "semi" reasonable
That appears to be a pretty decent looking handle too.
Toyota has eliminated incentives for out of state buyers after Sept 30th, 2013. I guess you can still buy the car, as folks are... but no $14,000 incentive for out of state residents.
TonyWilliams said:They are getting better. I make a number of modifications, including adding drainage holes, additional security for the cord from slipping out, in addition to thermal protection and a nifty LED light.
surfingslovak said:TonyWilliams said:They are getting better. I make a number of modifications, including adding drainage holes, additional security for the cord from slipping out, in addition to thermal protection and a nifty LED light.
Note that the cord set is from Uchen, formerly known as Dostar. Judging from the photo, this is likely their 2nd gen plug. It received an UL listing about a year ago, which I confirmed at the time. TucsonEV has been reselling Uchen plugs and cord sets for a while, even before they were UL listed. Some of the earlier products had an occasional ...,
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