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So that's where it stands...a 90-mile car. If that.
o00scorpion00o said:It's crazy to think that 3 years after the release of the Leaf that that manufacturers will still release a similar range car to the Leaf.
Berlino said:o00scorpion00o said:It's crazy to think that 3 years after the release of the Leaf that that manufacturers will still release a similar range car to the Leaf.
If I'm not mistaken, once you achieve 100 miles range on the city test, no bonus ZEV credits are awarded until you get to at least 200 miles. There's simply too little incentive to sell a BEV with a 30-45 kWh battery. The RAV4 has a 40 kWh one only because that's the smallest battery Tesla had on hand to sell them.
adric22 said:I suspect Mitsubishi will eventually redesign the i-Miev too.
GRA said:27kWh, 360V/96 cells, 200Wh/kg Li-NMC polymer chemistry with graphite anode, gel electrolyte and ceramic separators, air-cooled.
AFAIK no change in the car, just a lower price and more standard features.RonDawg said:adric22 said:I suspect Mitsubishi will eventually redesign the i-Miev too.
Mitsubishi is supposed to re-introduce the iMiEV for 2014. Whether it will continue to look like a glorified golf cart, I don't know.
RonDawg said:GRA said:27kWh, 360V/96 cells, 200Wh/kg Li-NMC polymer chemistry with graphite anode, gel electrolyte and ceramic separators, air-cooled.
Sounds like the Leaf might have some company in the premature battery degradation department.
At least Kia is using a fan. I don't recall for certain, but NMC may be a bit more heat tolerant too.RonDawg said:GRA said:27kWh, 360V/96 cells, 200Wh/kg Li-NMC polymer chemistry with graphite anode, gel electrolyte and ceramic separators, air-cooled.
Sounds like the Leaf might have some company in the premature battery degradation department.
GRA said:At least Kia is using a fan. I don't recall for certain, but NMC may be a bit more heat tolerant too.RonDawg said:GRA said:27kWh, 360V/96 cells, 200Wh/kg Li-NMC polymer chemistry with graphite anode, gel electrolyte and ceramic separators, air-cooled.
Sounds like the Leaf might have some company in the premature battery degradation department.
TonyWilliams said:Berlino said:o00scorpion00o said:It's crazy to think that 3 years after the release of the Leaf that that manufacturers will still release a similar range car to the Leaf.
If I'm not mistaken, once you achieve 100 miles range on the city test, no bonus ZEV credits are awarded until you get to at least 200 miles. There's simply too little incentive to sell a BEV with a 30-45 kWh battery. The RAV4 has a 40 kWh one only because that's the smallest battery Tesla had on hand to sell them.
The Tesla powered Mercedes B Class is 28kWh. The battery in the Rav4 EV is about 45kWh.
Agreed, the fan alone isn't going to make a big difference in longevity in hot areas, but it might help in areas like coastal SoCal or parts of the Bay Area where the high temps are rarely in the triple digits, and even then can be expected to drop into the '60s or at most '70s overnight.RonDawg said:When outside temps are over 100 F, I'm not sure how much help a fan is going to be if the chemistry is also not more heat tolerant than the one used in the Leaf, especially if the car is kept inside of a closed garage with minimal air flow.GRA said:At least Kia is using a fan. I don't recall for certain, but NMC may be a bit more heat tolerant too.RonDawg said:Sounds like the Leaf might have some company in the premature battery degradation department.
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