See my sticky thread on CA ZEV rules.apvbguy said:could the answer be having your legislature pass laws that force manufacturers to sell X amount of bev cars?gsleaf said:Sadly you're probably right. I wonder what we have to do to get compliance cars in Oregon.
ILETRIC said:Why do car companies bother with this "camo"? No one would notice the car without it. The effort to hide the car is completely counterintuitive. It screams to be stared at.
that is a flaw in the legislation of the states that enacted the laws that allow such practices, if people, like the guy from OR, want things to change they need to become proactive and agitate their legislature to enact provisions that close that loophole.evnow said:See my sticky thread on CA ZEV rules.apvbguy said:could the answer be having your legislature pass laws that force manufacturers to sell X amount of bev cars?gsleaf said:Sadly you're probably right. I wonder what we have to do to get compliance cars in Oregon.
Basically there are 14 (13?) states that requite 0.79% of the vehicles sold to be ZEV. BUT, a manufacturer can satisfy the quota in state A using cars sold in state B - just that they only get partial credit. The result is that an OEM can sell cars just in CA that satisfy the requirements in all ZEV states ! Bummer.
TomT said:Had a Kia Soul EV next to me yesterday on the 101 freeway in Hollywood... He gave me a thumbs up in the Leaf.
You mean 2014?gsleaf said:No specifics yet, but it looks like it's officially launching in 2015.
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All-Electric Kia Soul Under Development For U.S. Market
New Kia Soul EV targets a range of more than 120 miles
109-hp motor produces 210 lb.-ft. of torque for an electrifying driving experience
Ideal for city commuters, the Soul EV will go on sale in 2014
IRVINE, Calif., Nov. 11, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Kia Motors has confirmed the development of an all-electric version of the Kia Soul, scheduled to go on sale in 2014. The 'Kia Soul EV' will be Kia's first all-electric, zero-emissions vehicle marketed outside of Korea.
"The new Soul EV will be at the forefront of Kia's 'Clean Mobility' program, which aims to provide environmentally-friendly vehicles to our customers around the world, when it goes on sale globally next year," said Kia Motors America's executive director of product planning, Orth Hedrick. "Although it is Kia's first globally sold all-electric vehicle, the Soul EV is our second-generation battery electric vehicle and significantly benefits from the in-depth knowledge gained during development of the Ray EV sold in Korea."
The Soul EV takes its design cues from the recently-launched second-generation Kia Soul. With a target range of more than 120 miles, this uniquely designed battery electric vehicle is practical for everyday use and perfectly suited for city commuters.
Equipped with a high-capacity 27 kWh lithium-ion polymer battery pack, the Soul EV is expected to offer a driving range of more than 120 miles on a single charge. In an effort to maximize efficiency and range, the vehicle recycles back into the battery the energy generated while the car is coasting and braking.
The Soul EV makes charging easy by plugging into any standard outlet. Recharging times are up to five hours for a fully depleted battery using a standard 240v outlet, or 25 minutes on 'fast' charge with 100 kW output.
The front-wheel drive Soul EV prototype test cars currently under development are built on modified versions of the 2014 Kia Soul and are powered by a 109-hp electric motor, producing a generous 210 lb.-ft. of torque. The motor delivers its power to the front wheels through a single speed constant ratio gear reduction unit. Accelerating from 0-62 mph in less than 12 seconds with a top speed in the region of 90 mph, the Soul EV promises to remain true to the Soul's fun-to-drive reputation...
pkulak said:What kind of charger will even give you that output, apart from Superchargers? Seems fishy. That's a hell of a lot of current going into a 27 kWh battery.
http://www.chademo.com/wp/technology/optimal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;...The majority of utility companies around the world supported CHAdeMO’s view in eventually setting the most appropriate power level at 50KW.
In the future, as the price of the power units continues to decrease and the performance of the battery continues to improve, faster and higher power chargers be eventually necessary. In fact, the geometry of CHAdeMO connector is designed to allow for 200A, which means it can almost double its power level...
edatoakrun said:... But no one is manufacturing CHAdeMO chargers at more than ~50 kW, AFAIK.
I would really like for someone to give Nissan some competition, but not sure this will be the one.ydnas7 said:so I would expect the Kia Soul EV will be the first real competitor to the Nissan LEAF, and a likely upgrade path.
It remains a city car, but the new Soul's are based on the Forte so they should be more substantial than expected.
ydnas7 said:so I would expect the Kia Soul EV will be the first real competitor to the Nissan LEAF, and a likely upgrade path.
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