braineo
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the contest is over.
Who won, smoke and mirrors or the one with 1000's of installed units around the world?
Forfeit due to no show?
the contest is over.
You speak as if you believe SAE is an independent group that evaluated several designs.hyperlexis said:Well here's the news boys, SAE chose its own standard as the standard. They didn't choose Chademo, they chose their standard. Done, period, no backsies. Nissan may stay with Chademo or go with the SAE design. But SAE ain't buying what Nissan was selling and there is no going back now. Get over it and move on.
The LEAF has a Chademo so the responses are what you would expect. An ironic twist is the LEAF battery is degrading faster than expected because it has no TMS to speak of. Chademo charging heats up the battery more and degrades it faster ... I predict this to be a PR problem (I'm the only one that thinks this AFAIK tho). There is a lot of conspiracy theories and finger pointing as you have read. Someone did start a technical comparison thread a year or so ago but it only went so for with limited information. I tried a couple of google site keyword searches but did not find it.fastcharge said:I learned quite a bit in the last two days on this forum so thank you to those that helped.
* Symposium for electric vehicles (EVS 26) - https://www.google.com/search?q=EVS+26+"combined+charging+system"+"100+kW"TonyWilliams said:Here's the Cliff Notes for the western world's DC chargers:
Code:---------------CDeMO----FRKNPLG---MNKES----TESLAusa---TESLAeu---TESLAfareast Design Power 100kW 100kW* 100kW 120kW 120kW? 90kW? Max V/Amps 500/200 500~/200 500/200 400/300 400/300? 400/225? Typical Power 400/125 400/125 400/125 400/300 400/300? 400/225? Comm Protocol CAN PLC PLC PLC PLC PLC/CAN Plug Protocol CDeMO FRKNPLG MNKES TESLA MNKES+ CDeMO+
Hats off to you for finding that. You/your post are the master of links.cwerdna said:^^^
I had trouble w/Googling for it. I had to resort to Bing. It seems like neither search engine indexes this site all that well. I wonder if the admins/mods can fix that...
I think you're talking about http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9092" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
Yep. Tesla shows some Superchargers coming to TX at http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.TonyWilliams said:simpleleaf said:fastcharge
EVGO has 23 chargers in the Dallas/Ft Worth area and 17 chargers in the Houston area which are all CHAdeMo plus Level 2 chargers together. If you install a SAE charger in San Marcos you may not have much business. There may be other DC chargers but I am not aware of any in Texas.
Tesla will put a whole bunch in Texas.
cwerdna said:If OP is truly interested and not a troll/astroturfer, he should refer to http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6853" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.myrav4ev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=379" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; re: CA ZEV compliance mandates... TX isn't a CARB emission state and I find it highly unlikely they'd adopt such rules or anything similar in the near future.
The final nail in the EV1 coffin. I was at those hearings.TonyWilliams said:FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 28, 2001
CARB Amends ZEV Rule: Standardizes Chargers & Addresses Automaker Mergers
SACRAMENTO - The California Environmental Protection Agency's Air Resources Board (ARB) today amended its Zero Emission Vehicle rule by standardizing electric vehicle charging equipment.
Alan Lloyd, ARB Chairman said, "The move to standardize is an essential step in the growth of EV technology and is needed to provide certainty to the public and manufacturers...
After public testimony from ARB staff, auto manufacturers and others, the ARB approved the staff proposal to select the conductive charging system used by Ford, Honda and several other manufacturers, starting in 2006. As a result of this action, existing inductive chargers used for General Motors, Toyota and Nissan vehicles will continue to be operated and maintained, but probably will not be expanded.
cwerdna said:IIRC, China also has its own DC fast charging standard that's compatible w/nothing else. The company BYD comes to mind...
GregH said:And while we're discussing DCQC standards, I'd be curious to know.. If you had the option of
A: A vehicle with 1-10kW onboard AC charging AND a DCQC port (combined or separate, that's not my point)
or
B: A vehicle with 1-20kW onboard AC charging only.
GregH said:A: A vehicle with 1-10kW onboard AC charging AND a DCQC port (combined or separate, that's not my point)
or
B: A vehicle with 1-20kW onboard AC charging only.
GregH said:A: A vehicle with 1-10kW onboard AC charging AND a DCQC port (combined or separate, that's not my point)
Except the first electric-chair 'victim', and that poor elephant (Topsy)... :-(And yet we all seemed to survive.
Oh no, let's not start that argument! ;-)"I had to resort to Bing"
DNAinaGoodWay said:... the Leaf hatch is so big it could probably accomodate a CHAdeMO and a Combo side by each, giving Leaf an advantage.
fastcharge said:Not cheap but good info directly from the source. If anyone has links like that for a course on CHAdeMO, I would be interested. I haven't looked yet.
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