Sorry but it makes perfect sense. If an engine explodes or needs to be replaced under warrantee a car company does not find a used engine and slap that under the hood. At the very least they will put a remanufactured engine in or a new one. There is no way that I would except a car company pulling a used engine out of another vehicle and slapping it into a car.
"all or nothing" arguments dont work here. the manufacturer is only responsible for fixing what is broken. an entirely new engine is probably not in the deal just as an entirely new battery which we all know to degrade with use being ENTIRE normal is not in the deal either. a pro-rated exchange is most likely and we will have to wait on details for that
Note that 9 bars probably means something more like 75-80% capacity remaining, as the bars in the current Leaf appear to be overly conservative.
oh ok. so its not 15, 6.25, 6.25, 6.25? because I thought the loss of bar 9 meant 66.25 % left? of course, I guess Nissan could make it 70% if they wanted to.
Nissan is now finally admitting to the world that the NORMAL that they've been touting all along of 20% average loss in 5 years is bogus , and that the real NORMAL they're only willing to put money where their mouth is is 70% in 5 years.
But you discount someone who has already exceeded 60,000 miles and has less than 15% degradation? is he "abnormal?" All things being equal, his degradation is less due to a shorter time frame than anyone else also in the PNW, but he is well within the 20% after 5 years and so will many others. Problem I see is a small vocal group who bought the car with a 90% range need who now see that its not going to work in the foreseeable future. Is that Nissan's fault?
Wow! This is big. Maybe we wouldn't have gone on the news 3 times if we knew we wouldn't be left in the cold by Nissan... Yeah, we probably still would have. I think a much more worthy statement would be to define the word gradual... 70% is less than 5 years is not gradual, but 72% in 1.25 years _is_ gradual?
but you would not have done things differently or felt differently knowing you qualify for a warranty replacement in a few more months?
Am still holding my breath for the replacement cost, though, since I intend to drive my Leaf much further than 60000 miles.
check out my blog. this announcement is a smoke screen. but the smoke is hiding something better, MUCH better!
The manual was wrong. In the Tempe range test the 8 bar car traveled 70.6% of the range of a "new Leaf".
not to throw a wrench in the works, but that was probably a "temperature adjusted" lost bar. do we know if that bar came back when it got cooler or is it "out of the game?"
Nissan is not being generous here or losing any money. They faced more, and more expensive, lawsuits after the summer of 2013. They are doing nothing but covering their posteriors here and offering a very, very small consolation in return. I would like the meeting on Jan 8th to yield something more positive, but Nissan has yet to prove they are truly serious about backing their product here.
I know its hard to justify any action by a company who you felt had wronged you and I doubt that anything would change your mind and your statements pretty much verifies this so just have to ask you?
what are you looking for jspearman?
My assumption is that after Nissan takes back a leased car, they're not going to try to resell it AS IS if the battery capacity has already degraded to 9 bars. Nobody is going to want to buy or lease a used LEAF with only 9 bars left. So with excess battery production from its Tennessee plant, the smart thing to do is to slap a brand new battery on these returned leased cars and resell or re-lease them for a premium price, because battery condition is everything in a used EV car.
Bingo! well, actually it depends on who sells the car. there will be some returned leases that get circulated thru the used car market I am sure, but I expect most to be refurbished and sold as "certified like new" cars in which all wear items will be redone.
cheap set of new tires, brake pads replaced, all filters changed, detailed, etc and that will include a new or refurbished battery (as if we could tell) with another limited battery warranty applied... and ya, it will only be a bit cheaper than a new car depending on the mileage but lets face it; a lot of things on the car are really mileage independent. Am I going to lose sleep over a motor with a 200,000 hour rating that has 100,000 miles on it?? not likely. for a gas engine and its 500 moving parts?? OH YA!!
