Stoaty said:
OrientExpress said:
It's very easy to answer, the range will be essentially the same. Just like the 2014 through 17 cars have little if any range loss.
No range loss in 3 years? I'll have whatever you are smoking.
PS How much is Nissan paying you to post this nonsense?
OrientExpress is a known shill for BS concerning the LEAF. He originally claimed that the 2011-2012 LEAF didn't have objectionable loss of battery capacity, and had harsh words for anybody that challenged that notion (I've saved his comments from that period, knowing his head will pop up infrequently to spout nonsense).
There were a few others like OrientExpress, but most of them have aquienced to the facts. He is a broken record of misinformation.
You'll find this rhetoric that he used in 2012 to be consistent today:
OrientExpress
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=221444#p221444
The next time OrientExpress gives us the next LEAF revelation, just consider these previous revelations about the battery:
1. "So far,
all of the posts on this subject are speculation, hearsay, innuendo, and opinion."
2. "In reading through all the cases,
I really don't see a problem"
3. "I have to believe that
if there was an issue, it would have been detected and solved by now"
4. This is just a problem with
"several vocal individuals."
5. There is so much confidence, he agreed to swap his battery!!! >>>
"sure, come on by, and we will put the cars up on blocks and switch them out."
6. There are as many cars with reduced capacity as there are with
">>excess<< capacity and they are both edge cases". I sure as heck haven't seen a mention of that >>excess<< case(s) !!!!
7. "If there is an actual issue with a customer's battery,
then it will be a simple routine warranty repair."
8. This is just
"battery FUD that is concentrated in some posts... Kuddos to Nissan for a job well done."
9. Hey, it's only
"17 cars out of a population of 25000 is .00068.... or in layman's terms, an edge case."
10. "for the 0.00074074074074 of LEAF owners..... investigate the myriad of options
other than complaining to get satisfaction for your transportation needs."
11. Still no problem; just charge more!!!
"'the only complaint being that they have to be "filled-up" more often"
12. "Of the fewer than 10 posters that make up the the vast majority of the posts in the 148+ pages of this thread,
I'm probably the most rationale one of the bunch."
13. It's a little battery problem because
"in the larger scheme of things this is just a fart in the breeze."
14. "8 or so posters that have been the key proponents of this...
with some interpretative data that they have been able to glean from some homebrew devices". Hey, Phil, when will you have my homebrew device ready?
15. And then the insults got more pronounced...
"Nothing smells right when you don't have a sense of smell". And then there's:
"
One of the sure signs of dementia is paranoia and being convinced that everything smells bad."
16. All of the previous statements are because
"I have a deeper understanding of how failure analysis in the automotive industry works."
17. So, it might be a software problem...
"What if this whole thing is just a SW bug that is not accurately reporting the capacity of the battery?" A bit later, that was upgraded to,
"reputable highly-placed sources suggest that a software bug". Naturally, no data to support this, or any other claim.
18. Some very specific and detailed data from most detailed person on the forum is just tossed aside with...
"your methodology does not support your conclusions". This is from somebody that really hasn't provided ANY data.
19. Another "theory" with no data to support it (nor was any offered),
"only those cars that have been driven in a severe and high-mileage mode trigger the condition."
20. The best for last, as
this post is an all time classic!!! "very vocal and seemingly
hysterical schizophrenic ADD owners ... they don't represent the vast majority of LEAF owners.... for whatever reason
are unable to deal with the situation and
would rather freak out. Speculation is rampant, and
facts are few...
fan the flames of discontent in a very
trollish manner... for many that is not good enough and
demand immediate satisfaction... Other than
assigning wet nurses to the most vocal and impatient of those that are dissatisfied, it is hard to say what more than can be done."