jamieo said:I wonder how much of this is true: http://dailysunknoxville.com/2017-nissan-leaf-finally-surrenders-to-gas-like-volt/92009416
Not much. The reporter mangled Nissan's remarks almost beyond recognition.jamieo said:I wonder how much of this is true: http://dailysunknoxville.com/2017-nissan-leaf-finally-surrenders-to-gas-like-volt/92009416
Nissan's e-Power range-extended BEV, for sale by 3/31/17 in Japanedatoakrun:
Nissan has stated that it plans to continue to produce multiple BEVs, including the LEAF, as well as at least one BEVx, which is the subject of this thread...
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22166"It will utilize a new e-Power system that matches the agility, quietness, strong acceleration and efficiency of the Nissan Leaf."
Its biggest difference from the Leaf will be the engine. When the proposed new car's battery runs low, a gasoline engine will kick in to recharge it, giving the car a longer range...
Toshiyuki Nakajima, a manager at Nissan's advanced vehicle engineering department, said the e-Power system has several advantages.
The system should be less expensive because its battery doesn't need to store as much power as a pure EV battery does, and so it can be smaller, he said...
Similarly, the engine doesn't need to be as big as on a traditional gasoline-powered car. The engine on the range-extender hybrid will serve only as a generator and can be tuned to continuously operate within it range of peak efficiency...
If you read the source (?) for that statement today, this ~two year old article, you might conclude the writer missed what Andy Palmer was Actually hinting at...="kubel"
Nissan's has previously roadmapped a 1,750 kg barrier for entry into PHEV. They don't feel PHEV makes sense for lower weight, and they don't feel BEV makes sense for higher weight...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1092490_nissan-to-launch-plug-in-hybrids-too-in-less-than-two-years... it would be a new and separately engineered system that might, for instance, use a 80-kilowatt (108-horsepower) Nissan Leaf electric motor--giving Nissan significant economies of scale after building a few hundred thousand Leafs. (The total as of last month is 115,000.)
That motor could be paired with a gasoline engine, presumably downsized, and a smaller battery derived from the Leaf's current 24-kilowatt-hour lithium-ion pack...
http://www.autonews.com/article/20160725/OEM04/307259989/1657...Leaf: Engineers are at work on the second generation of the electric Leaf, which likely will show up in late 2018 or early 2019. The critical change for Gen 2 will be improving the driving range of the Leaf's lithium ion battery, which currently claims an EPA-approved rating equivalent of 114 mpg combined city and highway on a full battery charge. Competitors including General Motors and Tesla have eclipsed Nissan on driving range in the past two years. Nissan has signaled that its next Leaf will have a range of close to 300 miles. The car will be lighter, with an increased use of carbon fiber, and permit hands-free recharging, allowing owners to simply park over an inductive-system floor mat that does the charging automatically...
jamieo said:I wonder how much of this is true: http://dailysunknoxville.com/2017-nissan-leaf-finally-surrenders-to-gas-like-volt/92009416
Yes and no.. ;-)gadyamit said:Was Elon Musk was right about the cooling of the Leaf pack...
gadyamit said:Bottom line I'm sure (and hope) that the future pack of all electric car will have system like the link above...
Nice, but will require some significant tech issues.. Notably, weight..soldcake said:my dream:
Its time for new battery. . . the battery is drained. I drive up to a battery station. I pull out 4 drained battery briefcases from trunk. I put the briefcases into a vending machine. The machine verifies the briefcases. I push a few buttons, requesting 4 new batteries. I get 4 batteries from the machine. I put the batteries back to docking in the trunk. Off I go..
Meanwhile: http://inhabitat.com/green-cell-universal-battery-sold-in-vending-machines/desiv said:Nice, but will require some significant tech issues.. Notably, weight..soldcake said:my dream:
Its time for new battery. . . the battery is drained. I drive up to a battery station. I pull out 4 drained battery briefcases from trunk. I put the briefcases into a vending machine. The machine verifies the briefcases. I push a few buttons, requesting 4 new batteries. I get 4 batteries from the machine. I put the batteries back to docking in the trunk. Off I go..
The Leaf pack is around 400 - 650 pounds (depending on what you consider the pack and different google results.. ;-).
But maybe eventually, if you are really patient.. ;-)
desiv
gadyamit said:Was Elon Musk was right about the cooling of the Leaf pack... This is from 2010...
Tesla Motors (s TSLA) CEO Elon Musk has derided Nissan’s battery pack, which uses an air cooling system, as “primitive” compared with the sophistication of even Tesla’s first prototype, which uses liquid cooling. As a result, the LEAF pack will have temperatures “all over the place,” claimed Musk, causing it to suffer “huge degradation”
To date, Nissan has been adamant that they weren't going to use active cooling systems on the LEAF, but did at least install a limited air cooling one on the e-NV200 van: http://insideevs.com/heres-nissan-employs-active-air-cooling-e-nv200-battery-pack/gadyamit said:Hope/almost sure, that the battery pack for version 2 will have cooling system... which will improve the stability of the pack to sustain hot weather.
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