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AndyH said:Joe Bastardi is a weather man, not a climatologist - and is a known climate change denier.
Bastardi is a nut I can only listen to him 30 seconds max before I have to turn off, but why didn't you mention Al Gore ? he's a bigger nut without any qualifications at all, but he supports man made warming ? Could it be you approve of his unscientific ranting harming the warming cause as much as Bastardi harms the non man made warming cause ?
AndyH said:Please - read Naomi Oreskes book "Merchants of Doubt" - the same people that brought us the ad campaigns to keep us smoking even when doctors understood that smoking kills people are back doing global warming propaganda.
Indeed I will look it up.
AndyH said:Most - about 90% - of what you say you're confused by are the direct result of the information warfare done by the fossil fuel industry and by oil- and coal-funded groups that exist for only one reason - the make US - the common people - stop trusting science so that they can keep selling us their product.
I'm not confused, I'm angry with both sides, trust me it's not just the U.S!
AndyH said:I understand completely what you're saying in your posts - I truly understand your confusion - because I love maths and science, was a conservative Republican from before I could vote (back in the days when 'conservative' meant taking care of the planet...), served a military career during the Reagan/Thatcher years, the fall of the Berlin Wall, and through "project Iraqi Oil part Deux". By all measures, I should be on the side of deniers and big oil.
I'm not confused I'm pissed off the way the public (I) are being used in both sides of the argument, the question I would ask Americans, Canadians etc all those who are not crucified with energy tax, would you accept the science if you were forced to pay such high energy taxes or would you question it ?
AndyH said:Look at the websites - look at who runs them and who the writers are. Watts is not a scientist. Neither is Bastardi. Look to places like Sourcewatch so you can see who's paying for these people to spread disinformation and work from there. Validate your sources first before reading their information because there is a very well funded and very vocal fossil-fuel and political disinformation campaign - and I'm sorry to say that the majority of it comes from the US. To say that it's disturbing to see this country allowing the same types of propaganda and disinformation tactics used in the former Soviet Union and Nazi Germany is putting it mildly - I'm ashamed that the US has been the source of the world's disinformation that is killing people around the world.
The U.S promotes cheap energy, inflicting less pain on its citizens than the E.U, just imagine if North Americans in general had to pay E.U energy prices ? yes you wouldn't not stand for it. We need cheap energy for a decent quality of life. Until there is a viable alternative we should not be extorted like we are for energy. But Climate change is used as an excuse to extort people for income to Governments and renewable energy companies.
Cheers.