cwerdna
Well-known member
You're obviously new here. As I mentioned, there are folks who have had Leafs for more than a year, even several who didn't KNOW about the capacity bars and didn't know they had lost some (e.g. http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=349448#p349448" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=16446" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false. Here's another example of someone who had one: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=268304#p268304" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.ishiyakazuo said:I think you're basically calling used LEAF buyers stupid (or, at least, incapable of educating themselves) by saying such things. Could you go out and find a crappy used LEAF if you aren't educated about what to look out for? Absolutely. How likely is that to happen? Not very. The LEAF isn't the sort of car that people spontaneously go out and buy. People go in with the intent to purchase it.
So you can argue all you want that some LEAFs are worth $6000 less than others, but let's be honest -- those are the ones that people aren't going to drive off the lots, when there are ones with 12 bars to be had.
Then, you have issues of salesman saying incorrect or totally misleading crap (e.g. http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=13264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11867" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.
And, folks were (in YOUR area, for example) were steered towards a NEW Leaf yet it proved totally unsuitable for their winter needs, despite it having all capacity bars:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=261457#p261457" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=261834#p261834" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=264221#p264221" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Besides the battery degradation and temporarily reduced capacity in cold weather, there's the power hungry heater on '11 and '12s and non-heat pump heater on '13+ S trims and crap GOM that can mislead newbies. And, folks (just like in the street encounters) might not get highway speeds resulting in higher power consumption and lower efficiency than low speeds, since they're used to higher highway MPG figures than city for non-hybrid ICEVs. The list goes on and on...
So... you expect most NON-enthusiast Leaf buyers who see them for cheap, possibly steered by misleading or know nothing salespeople, also lured by perks like CA HOV stickers (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/carpool/carpool.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false ALREADY affixed to the car to know all these things that some Leaf drivers have no clue about?