DougWantsALeaf
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Car has 120K miles. I don't think it's under warranty anymore.
DougWantsALeaf said:Car has 120K miles. I don't think it's under warranty anymore.
DougWantsALeaf said:Nope. Just a bad cell.
Excellent kludge!Dala said:Some new development from my side on the battery upgrade topic:
Agreed!goldbrick said:That solution is almost too elegant to call a hack. Well done Dala!
Eddie16 said:Possible, but unlikely! For those of us who are not DIY experts, putting a healthy
traction battery in a Nissan Leaf is like listening to The Man of La Mancha:
"Dream the Impossible Dream"!
NissanLeafBatteryReplacement.com lists independent Leaf battery businesses
in the USA. They are in Washington, Oregon, Caifornia, Texas, Massachusetts.
There are no independent Leaf battery businesses between the coasts, with
the exception of the Texas shop near Dallas.
The Nissan dealer network can provide batteries and installation.
But is any Leaf worth it? The quote I got from a Denver-area dealer is
$13,500 to procure and install a 40kwh battery. Given the experience
I've had with the 30kwh battery in my 2016 Leaf, I won't trust nissanusa
to the tune of $337/kwh installed.
Eddie16 said:DaveinOlyWA wrote:
>But not important. Need elaboration on this offer from your dealer. This would be completely against Nissan's "former?" >policy for pack availability and upgrades. Would also say a lot about their faith in the Gen two chemistry.
Curious about what you mean by "elaboration". The 30kwh pack in question lost two of its 10 white bars, somewhere around 35K miles. The firmware upgrade which supposedly fixes some 30kwh packs, did nothing. It was my understanding that Nissan won't replace a pack on their dime, unless the pack loses 4 bars before the car reaches 60K miles.
What had you heard about Nissan's policy for pack availability and upgrades? The service person didn't say anything to me about policies. All she gave me was a take-it-or-leave-it offer to pay $13,500 for a 40kwh replacement. She had no interest in explaining to me why the pack lost bars at the (fairly low) mileage of 35K. She seemed to be just as surprised as I was, that a replacement pack is that expensive.
I have no idea of what to expect from Nissan. I've never owned any Nissan vehicle before. I have heard that Nissan has been running in the red in recent years, so I don't expect them to go out of their way, financially, to support owners. The fact that they don't seem to be interested in this failure, makes me think that maybe Nissan no longer considers the Leaf an important part of their product line. Perhaps they now consider it a liability?
Eddie16 said:It was my understanding that Nissan won't replace a pack on their dime, unless the pack loses 4 bars before the car reaches 60K miles.
Eddie16 said:DaveinOlyWA wrote:
>But not important. Need elaboration on this offer from your dealer. This would be completely against Nissan's "former?" >policy for pack availability and upgrades. Would also say a lot about their faith in the Gen two chemistry.
Curious about what you mean by "elaboration". The 30kwh pack in question lost two of its 10 white bars, somewhere around 35K miles. The firmware upgrade which supposedly fixes some 30kwh packs, did nothing. It was my understanding that Nissan won't replace a pack on their dime, unless the pack loses 4 bars before the car reaches 60K miles.
What had you heard about Nissan's policy for pack availability and upgrades? The service person didn't say anything to me about policies. All she gave me was a take-it-or-leave-it offer to pay $13,500 for a 40kwh replacement. She had no interest in explaining to me why the pack lost bars at the (fairly low) mileage of 35K. She seemed to be just as surprised as I was, that a replacement pack is that expensive.
I have no idea of what to expect from Nissan. I've never owned any Nissan vehicle before. I have heard that Nissan has been running in the red in recent years, so I don't expect them to go out of their way, financially, to support owners. The fact that they don't seem to be interested in this failure, makes me think that maybe Nissan no longer considers the Leaf an important part of their product line. Perhaps they now consider it a liability?
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:Eddie16 said:DaveinOlyWA wrote:
>But not important. Need elaboration on this offer from your dealer. This would be completely against Nissan's "former?" >policy for pack availability and upgrades. Would also say a lot about their faith in the Gen two chemistry.
Curious about what you mean by "elaboration". The 30kwh pack in question lost two of its 10 white bars, somewhere around 35K miles. The firmware upgrade which supposedly fixes some 30kwh packs, did nothing. It was my understanding that Nissan won't replace a pack on their dime, unless the pack loses 4 bars before the car reaches 60K miles.
What had you heard about Nissan's policy for pack availability and upgrades? The service person didn't say anything to me about policies. All she gave me was a take-it-or-leave-it offer to pay $13,500 for a 40kwh replacement. She had no interest in explaining to me why the pack lost bars at the (fairly low) mileage of 35K. She seemed to be just as surprised as I was, that a replacement pack is that expensive.
I have no idea of what to expect from Nissan. I've never owned any Nissan vehicle before. I have heard that Nissan has been running in the red in recent years, so I don't expect them to go out of their way, financially, to support owners. The fact that they don't seem to be interested in this failure, makes me think that maybe Nissan no longer considers the Leaf an important part of their product line. Perhaps they now consider it a liability?
After reading your previous posts, it seems some clarification is in order. First off, considering that you didn't include the red bars in your first post, that means that when you first bought the leaf used (back in 2019 with 29k miles), it was actually showing 12-bars. Which means it most likely JUST had the BMS reset applied, which is why the dealership told you that it had already been done.
The fact that you've lost 2 bars (post-BMS reset) after just driving ~6k miles means that this current state is the _actual_ health of the battery pack. The BMS reset doesn't repair the health of the pack, it only corrects a mis-reading of the actual pack health. So it lost those two capacity bars over the span of 35k miles (not just the couple years you've had the car). So although 35k miles for a 2-bar loser sounds high for Colorado, it would actually be "normal" if that car had spent significant time in AZ, NM, Southern CA/TX, etc when it was with the previous owner.
As to the "elaboration". Our (putting words in DaveinOlyWA's mouth) understanding is that the dealerships won't even consider doing a pack upgrade. Yours is the first I've heard of where they would even quote a price to carry out the upgrade. The price doesn't sound out of line for a brand new 40kwh pack, but it's not worth it (you could sell your current leaf and buy a newer 2018 leaf that already has the 40kwh pack).
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