Boomer23
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Yep, Gary, I knew it was a mistake. I was commenting that the average man in the street can easily be mislead by claims about EVs, misunderstanding even the most basic claims like these.
Phil
Phil
What are you trying to do? Pour ice water on everyone who lives where it is cold? It seems to me the one thing sure to be in the 2012 model is the cold weather package, and you didn't mention that. Personally, I expect 2012 to have the same charger as 2011. I do think there may be some software tweaks affecting the display panels and CarWings.prberg said:My guess is that the 2012 Leaf will be pretty much the same as the 2011. Nissan might upgrade the charger to match Ford's. I bet we won't see any real changes till 2013 or 2014. I could see some software improvements to the interface, etc. But I doubt there will be much different with model year 2012.
Unlikely. Probably same lease of $349 - but not the msrp.DaveinOlyWA said:3) will priced about the same at the Leaf
evnow said:Unlikely. Probably same lease of $349 - but not the msrp.DaveinOlyWA said:3) will priced about the same at the Leaf
BTW, there is a small possibility of them doing that - since their production volume is limited, their losses would be somehwat limited too. Still, a $5K loss per car translates to $100 Million assuming 20K production per year.
kmp647 said:I know 1 thing ordering a car "late summer" nets you the next model year
factories in Japan usually start producing the new model year car in september, after a short break in august to adjust the line.
DaveinOlyWA said:retrofiting an existing car is cheap compared to a whole new design. Ford no doubt, did it to reduce cost and time to market. i am sure they did it to match Nissan pricing. they are well aware of the biggest detriment to the Volt and that is the price
garygid said:It is likely that the "twice the range" part was a mistake.Charging roughly the same capacity battery pack twice as fast would be due to a "6.6 kW" charging rate, roughly twice that of the 2011 LEAF.
Jimmydreams said:WWBD said:CEO says "I want 4 hour charging!".
Engineers say "We'll see what we can do about 4 hour charging!"
Spokesman hears that they're working on 4 hour charge and says "The Focus will charge in 4 hours or less."
:?
DaveinOlyWA said:retrofiting an existing car is cheap compared to a whole new design. Ford no doubt, did it to reduce cost and time to market. i am sure they did it to match Nissan pricing. they are well aware of the biggest detriment to the Volt and that is the price
DaveinOlyWA said:retrofiting an existing car is cheap compared to a whole new design. Ford no doubt, did it to reduce cost and time to market. i am sure they did it to match Nissan pricing. they are well aware of the biggest detriment to the Volt and that is the price
planet4ever said:What are you trying to do? Pour ice water on everyone who lives where it is cold? It seems to me the one thing sure to be in the 2012 model is the cold weather package, and you didn't mention that. Personally, I expect 2012 to have the same charger as 2011. I do think there may be some software tweaks affecting the display panels and CarWings.prberg said:My guess is that the 2012 Leaf will be pretty much the same as the 2011. Nissan might upgrade the charger to match Ford's. I bet we won't see any real changes till 2013 or 2014. I could see some software improvements to the interface, etc. But I doubt there will be much different with model year 2012.
Ray
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