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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:52 am

baustin wrote:What makes you think it is anywhere near the top of the list of things they want to change right away? There is a Supreme Court Justice to nominate, and Obamacare to repeal and replace. That should keep them busy for quite a while.
oh like an army of advisers cant do two things at once. the mantra is "stop the bleeding first" which means that subsidy is definitely on the first page!
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:55 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Everyone forgets it was a Republican that got the ball rolling on the EV tax credit. And the clean air act, and civil rights, and ending slavery.

Perception and reality are two disjoint worlds when I think of the word "progressive".
LOL!! and they nailed it!!!.... with you.

me however? ... well first off, there were near ZERO dollars doled out when bush was in office and the fact he signed the bill one month and one day before the election? gee, can't imagine what his motivations were...
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:42 am

Don't any of you remember the "great Recession"? Brought to you courtesy of the Republicans and their "who needs regulations" attitude. If the Republicans dismantle the regulatory structure in favor of big oil and Wall Street nuclear war may be the least of our problems. Bush nearly brought the world economy to a crashing halt last time with his banking reforms alone. Trump's stated trade policies are likely to do it again. What happens If China just calls his bluff? The US is China's largest trade partner but we make up only a fraction of their trade. Do you think that Europe, South America, or the Russians are likely to side with us in a trade war? Think that the Japanese will join either? Those $40/hr factory jobs went away for a reason and aren't coming back. If we build new factories in America, they're going to be automated and require only 10% of the people who used to work those jobs. Those jobs will be highly technical and skilled, not the guy who used to spin the bolts on the tires on the assembly line.

What if China simply ignores our trade policy and starts dumping goods. If Trump applies punishing tariffs do you think that will help the economy? If Trump pulls troops out of NATO and South Korea, do you think the military gets bigger or smaller? If we don't honor our treaties, does America gain or lose World Stature and the ability to make world policy?
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:01 am

johnlocke wrote:Don't any of you remember the "great Recession"? Brought to you courtesy of the Republicans and their "who needs regulations" attitude.
Actually it was brought about by liberal policies that required "fay-er" lending to people regardless of their ability to repay. Then it was prolonged by liberal policies that slowed foreclosure processes, so rather than lenders being forced to take a haircut and get those properties back into the market, they were mired in the courts and neighborhoods became blighted.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:23 pm

One of Reagan's first acts was to have Carter's solar panels removed from the White House.

Just yesterday, Trump named a climate denier in chief.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... eptic.html

It's a good bet that EV's wont receive much positive attention for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:30 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
johnlocke wrote:Don't any of you remember the "great Recession"? Brought to you courtesy of the Republicans and their "who needs regulations" attitude.
Actually it was brought about by liberal policies that required "fay-er" lending to people regardless of their ability to repay. Then it was prolonged by liberal policies that slowed foreclosure processes, so rather than lenders being forced to take a haircut and get those properties back into the market, they were mired in the courts and neighborhoods became blighted.
Shall we try again? Try predatory lending practices and securitization of mortgages by bundling them and reselling them on the commercial market. That's what led to the crash. After the investment banks crashed and had to be bailed out by the government, no bank was willing to lend on housing unless you had nearly perfect credit. After a while inventory started to build and housing prices crashed then no one who could buy would because they were waiting for the market to bottom out. Housing prices dropped so much many people's home equity evaporated. A lot of people just walked away from their homes and mailed the keys to the bank. For the banks, there was no market to put those homes on. Most banks didn't even have the staff to manage foreclosures and couldn't even respond to offers on foreclosed properties. I know this because I was trying to buy properties at the time.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:39 pm

johnlocke wrote:securitization of mortgages by bundling them and reselling them on the commercial market.
I mostly agree with your post, just one comment on the above. I haven't studied the issue closely, so it may well be that the securitization itself contributed to the crisis by enlarging the unregulated shadow banking system. However, my understanding is that the biggest issue with the securitization is that the rating agencies mistakenly rated them as AAA. They misapplied a statistical model in which the underlying mortgages were presumed to be fairly independent in their default risks, while as we saw their default risks were in fact highly correlated.

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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:40 pm

The planet is entering a period where all nations have to do the best we can to preserve the climate for future generations.

And, only half of the USA voted for their new president when clearly the choices were between a known and stable person and a total wacko who might do anything and is definitely not able to show any care for our environment.

EV Subsidies will be the least of our worries now...
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:44 am

Beleaf wrote:The planet is entering a period where all nations have to do the best we can to preserve the climate for future generations.

And, only half of the USA voted for their new president...
Actually less than a fifth of the total American population voted for trump, and once more of the votes are counted, he will probably have received close to a million votes less than Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/2016-ele ... tial-race/
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..Subsidies will be the least of our worries now..
Yes, but that is the subject of this thread.

Since trump has displayed a complete lack of any principles, it impossible to say whether the subsidy will be extended, allowed to expire, or be cancelled prematurely by legislation.

But the $7,500 tax credit is and will continue to be completely ineffective as a means of "preserve (ing) the climate for future generations" anyway.

I would say the chances of any effective response to significantly slowing carbon pollution and global heating from vehicle use, such as a carbon pollution tax, can be completely ruled out during trump's reign.
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Re: Does Trump's Election Spell the End for Federal EV Subsidies?

Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:07 am

edatoakrun wrote:
Beleaf wrote:The planet is entering a period where all nations have to do the best we can to preserve the climate for future generations.

And, only half of the USA voted for their new president...
Actually less than a fifth of the total American population voted for trump, and once more of the votes are counted, he will probably have received close to a million votes less than Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/2016-ele ... tial-race/
That was my point. Too many people in the US don't vote. only ~120 million voted! The number of people of voting age is ~250 million. So about half of the total voted (clearly, only one of the presidential candidates won!) Not all of the population are eligible to vote, so it's not appropriate to include the ineligible in the maths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_tur ... _elections
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