FalconFour
Well-known member
Oh my god, I have simple needs. I have a damn simple charging plan that I cannot for the life of me relay to the LEAF.
Charge ANY TIME EXCEPT 10am-9pm Monday through Friday.
Let that sink in for a moment. Just how simple a schedule that is. It's just a block, weekdays, that I don't want the car to charge when it's plugged in at home! Sounds simple, right?
No, the car has to make this crap complicated. Oh, but how much I hesitate to post this on the MNL forums. Last time I posted about this timer crap, the behavior of the participants in that thread made me want to swear off this forum forever as a bunch of pissy, "oh, everything is so obvious, just look you stupid noob" jackasses. Let's see if we can have a thread, with a full understanding that I am not a moron and I do actually have a very low-level understanding of many of the systems in this car. And how a timer should operate. And how this one does not.
So let me explain my problem, and why the timers are just a huge screw-up. Your timers may be working for you. Someone might be able to come up with a 2-timer plan to meet my needs as well. That doesn't mean the timers aren't screwed-up and ass-backwards, it just means that someone else was better at working through the ass-backwardsery better than I could. There really shouldn't've been a need for someone else to help out a guy that understands as much as I do about this car. The fact that I've been left with a non-charged car at least 3 times now due to incompetent timers means there is a huge problem here.
"OFF".
OFF means OFF, as in, "no timers. Charge any time between 12am and 11:59:59pm of the day that "OFF" is selected for.
Oh, but that would make too much sense, right? So here's issue number one: timer "OFF" means "not charging at all today". What the sh*tf$ck kind of derpy-ass upside-down logic is this? Biggest stupid mistake I've ever seen in this car so far. No wonder I keep coming out to a dead car. Weekends, I want to charge any time of day, so I set them to "OFF". Intuitively, this makes sense - you'd have to be a hardcore Nissan apologist/butt-kisser to try to tell me there's some legitimate reason for that behavior - the reason simply does not exist.
"START TIME | END TIME"
No, stupid. It's "END TIME | START TIME". Let's break this down a little bit. If I have an electric vehicle, when I plug that vehicle in, I want it to charge. This is signified by the motion of attaching the plug to the socket. That says "here's power, now charge please". OK? That means go. Now. With a few exceptions: I want to avoid peak hours. Well, that flips the whole algorithm on its head. Should be simple to program, right? Well, now we're crossing day/night boundaries while defining our inverted charging-timer plan. Kinda like trying to draw a repeating pattern for a stencil or something - you've got to cross over some date/time shifts to comprehend where to set the start and end, and on what days. Instead of making it a simple "don't charge during these hours", it's now like "start on one day with a program assigned to one day, try to figure out how that interacts with the schedule of the next day". Can we be for freakin' real? I want it to charge whenever I don't tell it NOT to charge. Not "only charge when I DO tell it to charge". Done and done. The current behavior is absurd and plain backwards.
"Charging station? What's that?"
Timers are a convenience function at home. AT. HOME. So when people are out and about, they plug in, walk away. What's the car do as it stands today? "Oh, charging timers... beep! Beep beep! Haha, just kidding, not charging... walking away... sucker". Bad juju. I can't expect that you'd use GPS location to determine if charging timers should apply, but come on. Do something. The nav system already auto-stores new charging stations, so the infotainment/management console is already aware of charging events and locations. Why can't that be expanded to override timers on non-home locations automatically?
LEAF is quickly falling to a "meh"-rate car now that competitors have started bringing up production of real modern EVs - like the Fiat 500e, Chevy Spark, etc. - and they're pretty on top of their game. If Nissan keeps thinking that "meh, don't need to update older models with new software" while competitors choose to respect their customers and provide free updates... Nissan would be in a tough PR situation for sure.
If someone that can perform time-manipulation in their head better than I can could come up with a 2-timer solution for that criteria stated in the beginning of this post, I've give you a huge <3. But that's only half the problem, as you can see from this post. Charging timers suck and I shouldn't need two charging timers to perform something as simple as that - if it were designed properly, a "M-F 10am-9p blackout period" would be a single timer. If I wanted, I'd expand that to weekend partial peak times as well, but due to the unnecessary complexity of the timers, I'd probably need 3 timers to do that...
Attached: my failed attempts at trying to set timers. Weekends had been switched OFF completely, but... see earlier rage in this post regarding THAT selection.
Charge ANY TIME EXCEPT 10am-9pm Monday through Friday.
Let that sink in for a moment. Just how simple a schedule that is. It's just a block, weekdays, that I don't want the car to charge when it's plugged in at home! Sounds simple, right?
No, the car has to make this crap complicated. Oh, but how much I hesitate to post this on the MNL forums. Last time I posted about this timer crap, the behavior of the participants in that thread made me want to swear off this forum forever as a bunch of pissy, "oh, everything is so obvious, just look you stupid noob" jackasses. Let's see if we can have a thread, with a full understanding that I am not a moron and I do actually have a very low-level understanding of many of the systems in this car. And how a timer should operate. And how this one does not.
So let me explain my problem, and why the timers are just a huge screw-up. Your timers may be working for you. Someone might be able to come up with a 2-timer plan to meet my needs as well. That doesn't mean the timers aren't screwed-up and ass-backwards, it just means that someone else was better at working through the ass-backwardsery better than I could. There really shouldn't've been a need for someone else to help out a guy that understands as much as I do about this car. The fact that I've been left with a non-charged car at least 3 times now due to incompetent timers means there is a huge problem here.
"OFF".
OFF means OFF, as in, "no timers. Charge any time between 12am and 11:59:59pm of the day that "OFF" is selected for.
Oh, but that would make too much sense, right? So here's issue number one: timer "OFF" means "not charging at all today". What the sh*tf$ck kind of derpy-ass upside-down logic is this? Biggest stupid mistake I've ever seen in this car so far. No wonder I keep coming out to a dead car. Weekends, I want to charge any time of day, so I set them to "OFF". Intuitively, this makes sense - you'd have to be a hardcore Nissan apologist/butt-kisser to try to tell me there's some legitimate reason for that behavior - the reason simply does not exist.
"START TIME | END TIME"
No, stupid. It's "END TIME | START TIME". Let's break this down a little bit. If I have an electric vehicle, when I plug that vehicle in, I want it to charge. This is signified by the motion of attaching the plug to the socket. That says "here's power, now charge please". OK? That means go. Now. With a few exceptions: I want to avoid peak hours. Well, that flips the whole algorithm on its head. Should be simple to program, right? Well, now we're crossing day/night boundaries while defining our inverted charging-timer plan. Kinda like trying to draw a repeating pattern for a stencil or something - you've got to cross over some date/time shifts to comprehend where to set the start and end, and on what days. Instead of making it a simple "don't charge during these hours", it's now like "start on one day with a program assigned to one day, try to figure out how that interacts with the schedule of the next day". Can we be for freakin' real? I want it to charge whenever I don't tell it NOT to charge. Not "only charge when I DO tell it to charge". Done and done. The current behavior is absurd and plain backwards.
"Charging station? What's that?"
Timers are a convenience function at home. AT. HOME. So when people are out and about, they plug in, walk away. What's the car do as it stands today? "Oh, charging timers... beep! Beep beep! Haha, just kidding, not charging... walking away... sucker". Bad juju. I can't expect that you'd use GPS location to determine if charging timers should apply, but come on. Do something. The nav system already auto-stores new charging stations, so the infotainment/management console is already aware of charging events and locations. Why can't that be expanded to override timers on non-home locations automatically?
LEAF is quickly falling to a "meh"-rate car now that competitors have started bringing up production of real modern EVs - like the Fiat 500e, Chevy Spark, etc. - and they're pretty on top of their game. If Nissan keeps thinking that "meh, don't need to update older models with new software" while competitors choose to respect their customers and provide free updates... Nissan would be in a tough PR situation for sure.
If someone that can perform time-manipulation in their head better than I can could come up with a 2-timer solution for that criteria stated in the beginning of this post, I've give you a huge <3. But that's only half the problem, as you can see from this post. Charging timers suck and I shouldn't need two charging timers to perform something as simple as that - if it were designed properly, a "M-F 10am-9p blackout period" would be a single timer. If I wanted, I'd expand that to weekend partial peak times as well, but due to the unnecessary complexity of the timers, I'd probably need 3 timers to do that...
Attached: my failed attempts at trying to set timers. Weekends had been switched OFF completely, but... see earlier rage in this post regarding THAT selection.