hbquikcomjamesl
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:53 am

Why? Because the portable unit isn't (as others have already pointed out) designed for permanent primary use. And because (unless they've improved them since the one that came with my 2018), there is no way to set the maximum current for level 2 mode, which is a problem if your 240V power socket is, say, only 30A. And because there are very reasonably priced chargers out there (see my post in the "Grizzl-E" thread) that are very well suited for charging a car that's parked outdoors.

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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:26 pm

hbquikcomjamesl wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:53 am
Why? Because the portable unit isn't (as others have already pointed out) designed for permanent primary use. And because (unless they've improved them since the one that came with my 2018), there is no way to set the maximum current for level 2 mode, which is a problem if your 240V power socket is, say, only 30A. And because there are very reasonably priced chargers out there (see my post in the "Grizzl-E" thread) that are very well suited for charging a car that's parked outdoors.

Disclaimer: I do not, in any way, work for United Chargers. I'm just a satisfied owner of one of their Grizzle-E units.
I currently have 3 of the 120/240v Nissan OEM EVSEs. One from my totaled 2019 SL, one that I bought on eBay for only $209 and the one that came with my 2020 SL. . I have never unwrapped the one that’s in the storage bag in my 2020SL trunk. The eBay one is permanently mounted in the shed at my vacation cabin. It has been used very often and it seems to be bullet proof.

For a short time I had a Clipper Creek LCS-30 24 amp version in my vacation cabin shed but it failed within 2 weeks so I returned it and bought the eBay Nissan OEM for $209.

The Nissan one is not rain proof so it stays permanently mounted in thecshed, out of the weather, and the cord exits under the shed door.


Here’s the Clipper Creek right before it failed.

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Here’s the leaf plugged in with cord exiting under shed door.

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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:34 pm

And here’s the Eaton permanently mounted, hard wired, L2 EVSE that’s been used for over 5 years now in my main home garage.


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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:03 pm

hbquikcomjamesl wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:53 am
Why? Because the portable unit isn't (as others have already pointed out) designed for permanent primary use. And because (unless they've improved them since the one that came with my 2018), there is no way to set the maximum current for level 2 mode, which is a problem if your 240V power socket is, say, only 30A. And because there are very reasonably priced chargers out there (see my post in the "Grizzl-E" thread) that are very well suited for charging a car that's parked outdoors.

Disclaimer: I do not, in any way, work for United Chargers. I'm just a satisfied owner of one of their Grizzle-E units.
While the Grizzl-E is probably a good unit, the Nissan portable unit is definitely suitable for daily use as long as the receptacle and power circuit are correct for it. Also, the Nissan unit will not operate on 208-volt circuits. It will allow the car to draw up to 30 amperes at 240 volts so it needs a minimum circuit rating of 40 amperes with a NEMA 14-50 receptacle. I would routinely use the one that came with my 2019 SL+ if I did not already have an AeroVironment unit installed in June 2011 at home and a Clipper Creek unit at my workshop garage.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:13 pm

The real problem with the Nissan unit is that while it isn't exactly designed for Unicorns, the kind of circuit it needs is relatively rare in residential garages and even homes. They stupidly imply that you can plug one into a dryer circuit, but you'd really have to plug it into your electric range outlet, and have a cold dinner.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:18 am

Ok: enough of the FUD on the Nissan branded (Panasonic OEM) EVSE. I've used a (EVSE Upgrade modified) unit plugged into a (dedicated) electric dryer outlet in my garage as a daily charger for over 10 years now. Otherwise @GerryAZ said it all: won't operate on 208-volt circuits...delivers up to 30 amperes at 240 volts so it needs a minimum circuit rating of 40 amperes (my old Leaf doesn't even draw half that)...the J1772 handle is sturdy/good quality.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:16 pm

No FUD from me here. It's a good, robust unit, but they let Leaf drivers down with the design parameters. If it were either 24 amps or adjustable to 24 amps, it would be a great unit.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:40 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:16 pm
No FUD from me here. It's a good, robust unit, but they let Leaf drivers down with the design parameters. If it were either 24 amps or adjustable to 24 amps, it would be a great unit.
100% agree, I don't understand why Nissan decided to add 240V charging (great), yet failed to recognize that being able to adjust the current draw was useful functionality. I think that capability, along with supporting supply voltages of anything between 110V and 240V, should be standard on all L2 EVSEs, implemented as a DIP switch - just like Grizzl-E has chosen to do. Safe, yet flexible.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:00 pm

To add insult to injury, I've seen Nissan ads that mention dryer outlets.
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Re: Why do I need a Charging Station ?

Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:42 pm

@Stanton and I own unicorns: The NIssan branded EVSE that has been upgraded by Ingineer's now defunct company. As part of the upgrade, 240 volt charging was enabled *and* the EVSE is switchable to a range of voltages so it is easy to use with a dryer outlet.

I've never used mine in 240v mode, and I don't think I ever will. I've thought about selling it to someone who is stuck with a dryer outlet but unfortunately the end of the safety tongue is broken off and I've never felt comfortable enough to sell it. Back in the day I sent the EVSE to ingineer's company to repair the handle and they ended up doing nothing. They said a repair of the handle would break the units water resistance, while a replacement of a new cable/handle would be too expensive.
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