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Re: GCR: Report: California will need massive grid upgrades for 2035 electric-car push

Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:38 pm

WetEV wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:41 pm
Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:04 pm
Obama and algore both bought multi million dollar beach front mansions so they must not be that worried about sea level rise and more powerful hurricanes.
When you don't have a reply, attack someone.

Keep your eye on the PIG.
Was I supposed to attack hurricanes or rising sea levels?
Hurricanes are so dumb they blow down and flood the people who preform obligatory virtue signal for climate change 7 times a day, just the same as they do everyone else.

But it does make you wonder why the people who seemed so worried about sea level rise live on the beach...
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Re: GCR: Report: California will need massive grid upgrades for 2035 electric-car push

Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:50 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:08 pm
The largest expansion of coal fired power plants came under Clinton in the 1990s because "coal was the safe alternative to nuclear".
Yes, and people used to think Lead was safe. We learn and adapt, or we die. I'm sure we are yet to learn many other things that we currently do are stupid. Hopefully we learn before its too late.

I'm starting on a DIY project this weekend to add a second solar system to my house, My city approved my permit and I have all the materials. I had an old 3.15 kW system and am adding another 6 kW.
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Re: GCR: Report: California will need massive grid upgrades for 2035 electric-car push

Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:56 pm

I got 10kw.
Might add a few more east facing.
If you look at the numbers of people killed by power generation hydroelectric and coal appears to be the most dangerous by far.
Nuclear the safest.
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Re: GCR: Report: California will need massive grid upgrades for 2035 electric-car push

Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:12 pm

danrjones wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:25 am
...Personally I think one of the biggest mistakes democrats have made the last two decades is focusing only on global warming, when almost every product that produces CO2 also produces irritants and toxins that the average american could understand better. ...
What they understand even better is prosperity but the Dems imho drop the ball by not laying out the case that the push to renewable energy is an absolute necessity for maintaining prosperity long-term. Finding new ways to extract more difficult fossil-fuels buys some time (at the expense of a healthy environment), but if we don't USE that time to prepare for a sustainable future, it's just an illusory sugar-high. We need both energy AND a viable planet to live on. We need to push for it not just because "it's nice and green", but because our prosperity and our childrens' prosperity depend on it.

Maybe it just boils down to one's "concern horizon". Just being concerned with what happens locally before you die brings different conclusions than being concerned about the rest of the world or the next few generations. In my view, the GOP has gone from being the party of "personal responsibility" to the party of "Me Me ME", as best illustrated by their standard-bearer.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: GCR: Report: California will need massive grid upgrades for 2035 electric-car push

Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:17 pm

I agree. I think they should have gone after stuff that everyone agrees hands down is pollution.
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Re: GCR: Report: California will need massive grid upgrades for 2035 electric-car push

Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:27 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:38 pm
But it does make you wonder why the people who seemed so worried about sea level rise live on the beach...
Oh?
Suppose you have a house at 3 meters above highest high tide. You don't own it, you lease it. The ocean owns it. How long do you have?

Best case? Worst case?

A 99 year lease isn't much different from ownership. 30 years only a little different. Get the best opinion you can, and price the offer on that basis.

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Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
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Re: GCR: Report: California will need massive grid upgrades for 2035 electric-car push

Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:22 pm

GCC:
Study: California needs up to 55 GW of long duration energy storage by 2045; 150X the storage deployed since 2010
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/1 ... -cesa.html


There's a direct link to the report (a PDF) in the article.
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Re: GCR: Report: California will need massive grid upgrades for 2035 electric-car push

Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:05 pm

GCC:
California agencies release report charting path to 100% clean electricity; need to triple grid capacity by 2045
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/0 ... -cali.html

. . . Highlights from the report include the following:

To reach the 2045 target while electrifying other sectors to meet the state’s economy-wide climate goals, California will need to roughly triple its current electricity grid capacity.

California will need to sustain its expansion of clean electricity generation capacity at a record-breaking rate for the next 25 years. On average, the state may need to build up to 6 gigawatts (GW) of new renewable and storage resources annually. By comparison over the last decade, the state has built on average 1 GW of utility solar and 300 megawatts (MW) of wind per year. Over the next three years, electricity providers regulated by the CPUC will add another 8 GW of clean energy resources.

Modeling of the core scenario for achieving 100% clean electricity showed a 6% increase in total annual electricity system costs by 2045, compared to the estimated cost of achieving 60% renewable electricity by 2030.

Advancements in emerging technologies, increased demand flexibility and cost declines in existing technologies may decrease the total electricity resource requirements and implementation costs. These topics, along with reliability, will be examined more closely in future analyses.

A clean electricity grid is necessary to achieve economywide carbon neutrality. Using clean electricity to power transportation, buildings and industrial operations helps decarbonize these sectors of the economy, which, along with electricity generation, account for 92% of the state’s carbon emissions.

California’s electricity mix is already more than 60% carbon-free. About 36% of that comes from renewable sources, predominantly wind and solar. . . .

Additional Multiagency Actions. The CPUC, California Independent System Operator and CEC are implementing actions to prevent electricity shortages and ensure delivery of clean, reliable and affordable energy in response to the August 2020 extreme heat wave. Among the actions are expediting the regulatory and procurement processes to develop additional resources that can be on-line by summer 2021 and ensuring that the generation and storage projects under construction are completed as scheduled.

This year, CARB will also begin the process to update the Assembly Bill 32 Climate Change Scoping Plan, which will assess progress towards reducing GHG emissions 40 percent below 1990 levels by 2030 and chart the path to carbon neutrality by 2045. The SB 100 report is one of the foundational reports that will inform the development of the next scoping plan. The CARB board will consider acting on the scoping plan in late 2022.

There's a link to the report (179 pgs.) In the article.
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Re: GCR: Report: California will need massive grid upgrades for 2035 electric-car push

Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:57 am

I'm balltista laughing at California right now.

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