kevin672
Posts: 88
Joined: Tue May 24, 2011 2:52 pm
Delivery Date: 24 May 2011
Leaf Number: 1589
Location: So Cal.

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:24 am

TRONZ wrote:I say do what you love. There is no shortage of kids willing to put tens of thousands into their Civics. This always freaks out the engineer bean counting sorts. Custom mods and fab work are usually not about cost, practicality or ROI. It's about inspiration, exploration and individuality. I think it's great the LEAF is creating this sort of enthusiasm. The grey haired pocket protector crowd should simply step aside and let the FUN happen.
Well said!

jkirkebo
Posts: 400
Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:51 pm
Delivery Date: 30 Oct 2011
Leaf Number: 007344
Location: Fredrikstad, Norway

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:29 am

mitch672 wrote:
SierraQ wrote:..snip...So I say just buy a Tesla if you want to feel like you are going to warp when you hit the accelerator.
Nope, the Fisker Karma will smoke the Tesla, Dual 150KW Rear wheel motors, in performance mode is combines its 23KW Lithium pack (50 miles in pure EV mode) with the motor generator. 0-60 in 6.3 seconds in hybrid mode.
Uh, the Roadster does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, the Model S is supposed to do it in 5.6. The Fisker is also much heavier than either Tesla.

User avatar
EVDRIVER
Moderator
Posts: 6753
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 am

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:42 am

jkirkebo wrote:
mitch672 wrote:
SierraQ wrote:..snip...So I say just buy a Tesla if you want to feel like you are going to warp when you hit the accelerator.
Nope, the Fisker Karma will smoke the Tesla, Dual 150KW Rear wheel motors, in performance mode is combines its 23KW Lithium pack (50 miles in pure EV mode) with the motor generator. 0-60 in 6.3 seconds in hybrid mode.
Uh, the Roadster does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, the Model S is supposed to do it in 5.6. The Fisker is also much heavier than either Tesla.

LOL- Just goes to show you how 2X the power and a gas motor can be slow. What does that beast weigh? 0-6 in even 5 seconds is slow for a car with two 150kw motors and an ice.

User avatar
EVDRIVER
Moderator
Posts: 6753
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 am

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:47 am

TRONZ wrote:I say do what you love. There is no shortage of kids willing to put tens of thousands into their Civics. This always freaks out the engineer bean counting sorts. Custom mods and fab work are usually not about cost, practicality or ROI. It's about inspiration, exploration and individuality. I think it's great the LEAF is creating this sort of enthusiasm. The grey haired pocket protector crowd should simply step aside and let the FUN happen.

I say make all the body and suspension modes as possible. Don't expect much in the drive system as the pack is a limiting factor. It is easy drive more power to the motor but the pack cooling and life will be an issue. If you want a performance EV then wait a bit.

mitch672
Posts: 1956
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:10 pm
Location: Boston, MA

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:56 am

EVDRIVER wrote:LOL- Just goes to show you how 2X the power and a gas motor can be slow. What does that beast weigh? 0-6 in even 5 seconds is slow for a car with two 150kw motors and an ice.
We are splitting hairs now. 5.6 or 6.3 are both good. I know you WILL be able to buy a Fisker Karma in 2012, and even take delivery, fyi, they are in the same price range. Tesla Model S? no guarantees, they have overpromised and underdelivered so far. The Fisker is probabably more practical for now, until we see how Teslas "300 mile" range pack works.
2012 Advanced Plug in Prius (sold)
I Support OpenEVSE: http://code.google.com/p/open-evse/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My Fuelly page: http://www.fuelly.com/driver/mitch672/prius-plugin" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tesla Model S 85KW Dolphin Grey VIN: 03245, delivered 1/17/2013

User avatar
EVDRIVER
Moderator
Posts: 6753
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 am

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:02 am

mitch672 wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:LOL- Just goes to show you how 2X the power and a gas motor can be slow. What does that beast weigh? 0-6 in even 5 seconds is slow for a car with two 150kw motors and an ice.
We are splitting hairs now. 5.6 or 6.3 are both good. I know you WILL be able to buy a Fisker Karma in 2012, and even take delivery, fyi, they are in the same price range. Tesla Model S? no guarantees, they have overpromised and underdelivered so far. The Fisker is probabably more practical for now, until we see how Teslas "300 mile" range pack works.
Who said 5.3. I'm saying the Tesla is far faster with less than half the power. The difference between even 5.0 and 5.6 is quite a bit and 5.6 to 5.3 is a huge difference. The Karma is a dog for its specs if they are accurate.

User avatar
TRONZ
Posts: 2240
Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:01 pm
Delivery Date: 31 Jan 2011
Leaf Number: 202
Location: Denver, CO

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:05 am

EVDRIVER wrote:If you want a performance EV then wait a bit.
YUP :!:
Every start, is as good as any start can ever be. - Douglas Darden

Stats;
2011 LEAF SL VIN#202, Delivered 01.30.11. Now, by far, the oldest LEAF in Colorado.

palmermd
Posts: 2625
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:19 pm
Delivery Date: 31 Mar 2011
Leaf Number: 1100011011
Location: Hermosa Beach, CA

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:05 am

mitch672 wrote: Tesla Model S? no guarantees, they have overpromised and underdelivered so far.
How is that? They've met every target date for development so far. They still seem poised to meet the rest of the targets for both production and performance. Where have you felt they under-delivered?
Michael

Leaf from 31 March 2011 - Traded 18 April 2019 for Tesla Model 3 Unicorn
Driving electric since 1996


Leaf Bar Loss

mitch672
Posts: 1956
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:10 pm
Location: Boston, MA

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:20 am

palmermd wrote:
mitch672 wrote: Tesla Model S? no guarantees, they have overpromised and underdelivered so far.
How is that? They've met every target date for development so far. They still seem poised to meet the rest of the targets for both production and performance. Where have you felt they under-delivered?
oh in the several delays to market. Dan Neil has a 1 Million dollar bet with Elon Musk that they will not be on time...

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/26/elon ... a-model-s/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just saying, the Fisker is way closer to delivery than the Model S, so what if its heavier, its still a very nice overall car.

I wish Tesla luck, and if it really will be availble in 2012, I would wait to buy one, however, putting down a $40K deposit to reserve one of the 300 mile, limited production of 1,000 signature editions, is probably more than I want to spend (that will be a $90K car if its a dollar) I just filled out my RAQ for a Leaf, that shows how I feel about the Model S :)

The Fisker is really very nice, but also in that very pricey range as well, and I already own a hybrid :)
2012 Advanced Plug in Prius (sold)
I Support OpenEVSE: http://code.google.com/p/open-evse/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My Fuelly page: http://www.fuelly.com/driver/mitch672/prius-plugin" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tesla Model S 85KW Dolphin Grey VIN: 03245, delivered 1/17/2013

palmermd
Posts: 2625
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:19 pm
Delivery Date: 31 Mar 2011
Leaf Number: 1100011011
Location: Hermosa Beach, CA

Re: Motor upgrades

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:32 am

mitch672 wrote:oh in the several delays to market. Dan Neil has a 1 Million dollar bet with Elon Musk that they will not be on time...
I'm not going to argue with you on which car is better for who, thats you own personal decision, but there have been zero delays to market for the Model S. Perhaps you are thinking of the 3-4 delays announced for the Fisker.
Michael

Leaf from 31 March 2011 - Traded 18 April 2019 for Tesla Model 3 Unicorn
Driving electric since 1996


Leaf Bar Loss

Return to “Accessories / Mods”