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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:26 am

coleafrado wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:36 pm
gncndad wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:54 pm
coleafrado wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:59 pm
The car spent its first 7 or 8 years in Maryland and has been in CO about a year - nothing crazy when it comes to salt exposure. I drove it cross-country from NY over a week during the summer. Shocks and suspension don't look like they've ever been maintained.
What are you thinking needs to be done to "maintain" shocks and suspension? Do you mean replaced?
How many miles on your Leaf?
85k miles. The shocks were a bit creaky after I drove it to CO.

As for the repair, Nissan's saying the left side control arm, wheel bearing and strut all need replacement at a cost of $1500. Another $350 or so for the right side strut, and that's before any parts that might have failed around the steering rack.
Mechanics like to impress you by throwing out expensive sounding terms for a repair. A control arm really never needs to be replaced.... It does not have any moving parts. A new control arm (does not have to be Nissan, can be other brands) can be $50-$100. Even if the rubber or ball joint parts are bad, you only replace the bad part. A wheel bearing is taking off the wheel and parts and pressing in a new $20 bearing.

If a strut is bad, (due to leaking or damage) you reuse old springs and put in a new $100-150 strut. Yes it is a good idea to replace in pairs (total cost - $300-400). All this stuff is cheap and part of maintenance on ANY CAR>>>>>> Even if all this is true.... It is not a reason to sell your car... Sounds like they want to take your car and buy it for $200

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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:45 am

^^^agreed. Control arm BUSHINGS fail, depending on the make, anywhere from 70-80k miles. (VW/AUdi bushings, for instance). VAG owners are frequently told to replace the entire control arm, rather than the slightly more labor intensive pressing out/replacing the offending failed bushing.

In my 48 years of car ownership, "creaky shocks" were usually creaky bushings, OR more likely, control arm bushings (notorious with VW/Audis). Sometimes a shot of appropriate lube will prolong the life of the bushing, unless it's cracked. (ditto for anti-swaybar bushings.)

I'm not sure coleafredo is getting the best advice from his dealership...
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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:56 pm

Thanks for the advice all! I'm going to go look at the car myself and see if it's worth the $150 tow to another shop for a better estimate.

Their bill is now up to $2000, not even including the alignment, parts to be replaced are this:

6 hours of labor at $150/hr
https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/n ... 1ka0a.html : $250
Strut kits for both sides: $330 total
https://nissangenuine.com/nissan/nissan ... 545011jy0a /: they want $300 for this!

So it looks to me as if they want to replace the entire suspension hub/knuckle instead of just the bearing? Strange choices from this Nissan...

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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:38 pm

Before you go for the repair with original nissan parts, try searching with the part numbers for other brands... I have had good results with AC DELCO and some others.

Try searching on Rockauto.com

here:

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/nis ... suspension

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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:12 pm

Six hours of labor? Go elsewhere.
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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:17 pm

The real issue is apparently that the lower control arm ball joint completely separated. There's no need for an immediate replacement of the wheel bearing or strut, so the repair cost including an alignment is down to a manageable $760. Thanks all!

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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:06 am

coleafrado wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:17 pm
The real issue is apparently that the lower control arm ball joint completely separated. There's no need for an immediate replacement of the wheel bearing or strut, so the repair cost including an alignment is down to a manageable $760. Thanks all!
A ball joint replacement should NOT cost $800.... Be smart!!

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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:11 am

powersurge wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:06 am
coleafrado wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:17 pm
The real issue is apparently that the lower control arm ball joint completely separated. There's no need for an immediate replacement of the wheel bearing or strut, so the repair cost including an alignment is down to a manageable $760. Thanks all!
A ball joint replacement should NOT cost $800.... Be smart!!

Yes, this is more like a $350 repair.
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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
powersurge wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:06 am
coleafrado wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:17 pm
The real issue is apparently that the lower control arm ball joint completely separated. There's no need for an immediate replacement of the wheel bearing or strut, so the repair cost including an alignment is down to a manageable $760. Thanks all!
A ball joint replacement should NOT cost $800.... Be smart!!
Yes, this is more like a $350 repair.
If the car was already in the shop, and didn't need an alignment, and I had the option of buying a cheaper non-OEM part... maybe it'd come to $450. The ball joints on these suspensions are integral to the lower control arm, so they don't do manual replacements or refittings, and the whole disassembly+reassembly process is about 3 hours of labor. Cheapest I can find the part is about $100 for a no-name set on Amazon, and at $100-150/hr labor, that's still basically $600 after tax.

The car is currently in Nissan's lot, and if I wanted to move it to a cheaper shop, it'd be another $100-200 for a tow truck. What they're asking is close enough to my expectation that it's not worth the time to haggle out another $50 or spend an hour moving the car around to maybe save $100 overall.

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Re: make inner tie rod ends replaceable

Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:50 pm

Yes, it looks like the easiest choice is to grit your teeth and open your checkbook.
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