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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:19 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:11 pm
The EA per minute pricing in states where they still have it like yours and TX are dirt cheap vs. most of were they moved to per kWh pricing. It's 43 cents/kWh for Pass and 31 cents/kWh for Pass+ in CA and most other per kWh states.
Indeed. I'm trying to remember who those people were who were so hot for per kWh charging. :lol:
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:23 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:11 pm
But if you charge fast enough,
Bolt speeds
it comes out to 16 or 12 cents per kWh...
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:32 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:23 pm
cwerdna wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:11 pm
But if you charge fast enough,
Bolt speeds
it comes out to 16 or 12 cents per kWh...
Bolt charges 55 kw max which means its kwh cost will be higher than per minute cost.

The reality is people plug into DCs and want to charge to 95% which is why they wanted per kwh fees so the can camp on the "cheap" well, guessing its too late to warn "be careful what you wish for!"
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm

Yep on Bolt speeds. Kona EV and Niro EV have it pretty good in per minute EA states.

I found this video at https://insideevs.com/news/430783/hyund ... st-charge/. Looks like they are at 70 kW until 60%. They stay at ~57 kW until ~75%.

Fortunately, the two ChargePoint (actually one and the other sorta, restricted most days but open to the public on weekends) 19 cent/kWh DC FCs near home that were broken for 3 months finally got fixed.

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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:16 am

If EVgo were to put more stations between destinations, they would easily be the goto network for more EVs. They announced expansion plans with GM in August last year to triple the size of the network in under 5 years. We are seeing that now with 350 KW CCS/100 KW Chademo (wondering if the Tesla adapter will run that fast) and at current non member pricing of 29 cents/min, that would be a huge savings for cars that can handle higher than 50 kw speeds.

I will be doing the ID 4 test drive next week north of seattle so I will be testing the speeds on my way home from that.
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:24 am

The Tesla adapter is 50kw. Tesla or a third party could easily make a 100kw adapter I am sure. Back when they first designed it I doubt there were any 100kw CHAdeMO at all in north america.

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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:43 pm

salyavin wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:24 am
The Tesla adapter is 50kw. Tesla or a third party could easily make a 100kw adapter I am sure. Back when they first designed it I doubt there were any 100kw CHAdeMO at all in north america.
Well, that is stating the obvious (no 100 Kw stations) and I guess forward thinking was out of the question as well... Makes me think that spending money now to equip 50 kw adapters when the decision to expand the network to 100 kw and more was made nearly 9 months ago seems a bit... :?:
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:08 pm

I don't know that Tesla wants very fast charging outside of their network just yet. In any case the adapter implementation was likely easy to do from an engineering perspective. Guessing some testing and heat management work to move the adapter to 100kW.
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:19 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:08 pm
I don't know that Tesla wants very fast charging outside of their network just yet. In any case the adapter implementation was likely easy to do from an engineering perspective. Guessing some testing and heat management work to move the adapter to 100kW.
Or... the market for the adapter was overestimated and EVgo picked them up during a fire sale :lol:
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Re: EVgo infrastructure thread

Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:13 pm

As planned, I gorged on Thai, did an ID 4 test drive and first visit to one the 100 KW stations in Seattle.

Although I would have been happy paying 16.6 cents/kwh for the charge I got, I did 11 mins 53 seconds expecting a bill of $2.20 and was billed...

$.28. Wish i could charge at home for that much
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