Dontbuyaleaf
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My user name should say it all

Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:22 pm

2 year lease from the worst dealership I have been to. Carriage Nissan in Gainsville GA. Carl was the sales manager that promised me 100 miles on average. He recently told me they changed their "sales pitch" 100 miles was the claim when I got it. When I only got 65 on average the dealer and Nissan said the car was not meant to be driven on the highway. Funny, is this a golf cart.

Now at 18000 miles my tires are bald and I have paint flaking on my back bumper. The dealer said they looked at it with a magnifying glass and said there is a point of impact. I can't see one.

I dream of the day when I can turn this turd in.

What are the least expensive tires I can put on this car so I'm not penalized for having bald tires.

*when I turn this car in I will be happy to trade my upgraded charger for a stock one with any of you that need one for no cost to you.

smkettner
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Re: My user name should say it all

Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:33 pm

Did you wait until now to read the forum and make your first post?
I agree 100 miles is a tough challenge but 65 is calling it a bit short.
Should have had 44 psi in those tires and slow down a bit.
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DanCar
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Re: My user name should say it all

Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:02 pm

Whipping around at 85 mph must be fun. :P
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Stoaty
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Re: My user name should say it all

Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:05 pm

It all depends on how you drive. I could easily get 100 miles from my Leaf when I first got it. Have 30,000 miles on the original tires and still have 7/32 inch tread depth (new tires have 10/32).
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LeftieBiker
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Re: My user name should say it all

Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:33 am

Goodyear Eagle L/S tires can be found cheap and provide a both a decent ride and decent efficiency. They do hydroplane in heavy rain at freeway speeds.

Looking at the complaints above I have some sympathy, but why do people expect car dealers to tell the truth? Was that the first car you ever acquired from one? They are at best disingenuous, and at worst crooks. Imagine having bought your kid a GM car that then killed said kid because GM didn't want to fix an ignition switch that they knew was bad...
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abasile
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Re: My user name should say it all

Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:32 am

I am sorry to learn that the LEAF has not met the OP's expectations. That false claim as to "100 miles on average" was pretty toxic, and it is unfortunately the case that a great many people spend thousands on vehicles based on the uncorroborated advice of salespeople. Sure, anyone can get 100 miles from the LEAF with careful driving in the right conditions, but how realistic is that for most people?

That said, there's no need to tell others not to buy the LEAF. Just tell them the truth about the range and let them decide whether it might be a fit for their needs. The LEAF can be great fit for many multi-car families that can use a LEAF locally and a gas car for longer trips.

As for tires, maybe ask around for some used OEM tires. Mine were bald by 14K miles, but then again, I drive twisty roads most of the time.
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mkjayakumar
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Re: My user name should say it all

Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:27 am

OP has driven for 18 months so fa,r an average of 1000 miles per month with 18000 miles on the Odo, and 6 more months to go. So he/she is on track to drive the standard 24k miles. And still complaining ?

Yes the 100 miles range claim was disingenuous, but what did the OP expect? 100 miles at 75 mph? or 50 mph? What is the experience of the OP on the mileage claims of all the gas cars? Has he/she ever complained about it ?

Yes, my two front tires in these very abrasive concrete roads went bald at 20k miles that i replaced them with some cheapo tires that cost me $100 a piece before I returned that at 30k miles. I was not dinged for anything when I re-leased a new 2014 SV. I did spend $100 at the local car wash for a complete wax workup and the shine came up like new, in spite of many visible scratches and door dings.
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Dontbuyaleaf
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Re: My user name should say it all

Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:52 am

abasile wrote:I am sorry to learn that the LEAF has not met the OP's expectations. That false claim as to "100 miles on average" was pretty toxic, and it is unfortunately the case that a great many people spend thousands on vehicles based on the uncorroborated advice of salespeople. Sure, anyone can get 100 miles from the LEAF with careful driving in the right conditions, but how realistic is that for most people?

That said, there's no need to tell others not to buy the LEAF. Just tell them the truth about the range and let them decide whether it might be a fit for their needs. The LEAF can be great fit for many multi-car families that can use a LEAF locally and a gas car for longer trips.

As for tires, maybe ask around for some used OEM tires. Mine were bald by 14K miles, but then again, I drive twisty roads most of the time.

Great help. I would turn it in today since this is our 4th car but it would cost me more than if I keep it. I did pay to upgrade the charger from the nice guys in Berkeley. Without that charger I would have gone nuts.

I will trade it for a stock cord when I trade it in. If anyone wants it I will part with it in in mid November .

Cheers

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TomT
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Re: My user name should say it all

Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:27 am

You are being disingenuous by comparing mileage to range... An ICE car that does not get the advertised fuel mileage will not prevent you from getting to your destination. A BEV that does not get the advertised range will.

And the Ecopias ARE known to be generally crappy tires (thus why many call them Ecrapias)...
mkjayakumar wrote: What is the experience of the OP on the mileage claims of all the gas cars? Has he/she ever complained about it ?
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ericsf
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Re: My user name should say it all

Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:02 am

It's sad that after 3 years there are still Nissan dealers out there that still advertise the LEAF as a "100 miles average range". But the EPA range is printed on the sticker - pretty big letters if I recall. That should at least have triggered you to question what the dealer told you. Car salesperson is one the least trusted profession in the country for a reason.

For the tires, you have a point. The LEAF's heavier than similar sized other cars, corners better and accelerates more so it's easier to go through tires with a LEAF. But it's true with lots of other cars and it's not like you can't do anything about it. I got 50K out of the LEAF's stock Ecopias tires and they were not bald when I replaced them with a set of Michelin Energy Saver.

For the flaking, please post a picture. On one side it's something you have to look at with a magnifying glass, on the other side it's so bad you want to get rid of the car... We need objective data to give opinions (assuming that's what you were looking for by posting here).

As for "not meant to be driven on the freeway", it's funny. I suspect what they wanted to say was not meant for "cross country freeway trips". I drive this car mostly on the freeway and I have to say that above 80mph, the LEAF shines by how stable and quiet it is. The LEAF is anything but a golf cart. It's just that at that speed you won't get more than 50 miles of range.
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