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Re: 2011 smart fortwo ED

Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:33 pm

Third gen ED officially unveiled at Frankfurt today:
The electric drive, unveiled for the first time in Frankfurt, will go on sale spring 2012 with an improved drivetrain boasting greater range and a higher top speed: now 86 miles and 74mph respectively. It's quicker to, hitting 37mph in five seconds.
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ED3 Smart ForTwo Electric Drive Priced At $25,000 Pre-Rebate

Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:03 am

If there is already a dedicated Smart ForTwo Electric thread I couldn't find, please post there, not here, so I can delete the redundant thread.

10/5/12 edit:

The ED3 seems to have a significantly different drive-train (see my post below on this page) from earlier versions of the Smart ForTwo, and will be available to US retail buyers at a much lower price, so, IMO, it should have it's own thread.


...The best part of the electric ForTwo’s pricing, is that it does NOT include the $7,500 federal rebate, which the Smart fully qualifies for with its 17.6 kWh battery, making the car effectively $17,500...
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Re: Smart ForTwo Electric Drive Priced At $25,000 Pre-Rebate

Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:32 am

edatoakrun wrote:If there is already a dedicated Smart ForTwo Electric thread I couldn't find, please post there, not here, so I can delete the redundant thread.


...The best part of the electric ForTwo’s pricing, is that it does NOT include the $7,500 federal rebate, which the Smart fully qualifies for with its 17.6 kWh battery, making the car effectively $17,500...
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Re: Smart ForTwo Electric Drive Priced At $25,000 Pre-Rebate

Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:32 am

but at 18kWh, it is only likely to get 40-50 miles range. Smart forTwo is not exactly aero efficient, but it is small and a great city car. Just not suited for what I need it to do.
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Re: Smart ForTwo Electric Drive Priced At $25,000 Pre-Rebate

Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:35 am

What was the price before?
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Re: Smart ForTwo Electric Drive Priced At $25,000 Pre-Rebate

Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:07 pm

palmermd wrote:but at 18kWh, it is only likely to get 40-50 miles range. Smart forTwo is not exactly aero efficient, but it is small and a great city car. Just not suited for what I need it to do.
Maybe 40-50 mi on the freeway - but then again I know that the old one did 50 miles on the freeway with a smaller battery.

City range I expect will be very good - 70-80 miles should be trivial due to it's light weight.

The price is really killer - but then again Fontana is giving $7k discounts on new LEAFs so that puts a SV at $28k - not too much more.

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Re: Smart ForTwo Electric Drive Priced At $25,000 Pre-Rebate

Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:30 pm

smkettner wrote:What was the price before?
If you look at the old thread ... '11 was available on a lease only for $599/mo for 48 months or a total of $28,752 on a car you gave back ... quite expensive and unfortunately very slow. We happen to still own an '08 ICE smart coupe version which was considerably less money but of course not electric drive; it's still a two seater after all but if you already had a charger in your garage it would be a real inexpensive way to add another EV to your commuter fleet; despite what others have said, it's a great little car that includes stuff you don't find in its price class, just don't expect a luxury ride!

EDIT: in IL this car could be as little as $15,000 if they offer the IL EPA rebate; quite the deal
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Re: Smart ForTwo Electric Drive Priced At $25,000 Pre-Rebate

Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:25 pm

When Car2Go started bringing them out last year, the had the CA DMV paperwork in the window and I remember them saying $46000 as the selling price. But this was one arm of Daimler buying from another, so it may have been that high to boost Smarts numbers and let Car2Go write off more as a loss.

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Re: Smart ForTwo Electric Drive Priced At $25,000 Pre-Rebate

Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:05 am

The road test review below indicates just how different this BEV from earlier versions, so I suppose it may deserve this new thread. Emphasis added:

...Compared to the earlier ForTwo Electric Drive model, the ED3 has a more powerful motor and a battery pack--no longer designed by Tesla Motors--that is much more tolerant of cold weather.

The electric motor powering the rear wheels produces 35 kilowatts (47 horsepower) of continuous power, and a peak output of 55 kW (74 hp). Maximum torque is an even 100 lb-ft.

That compares to the previous model's 20 kW (27 hp) sustained and 30 kW (40 hp) peak output, with 89 lb-ft of torque.
The liquid-cooled battery pack adds about 330 pounds to the weight of the standard Smart ForTwo, so it's hardly a light car...

But despite the high seating position--you're actually sitting higher than drivers of low compacts like Honda Civics--the weight is as low as it can be.

That means the Smart ED3 handles well, corners decently, and soaks up bumps, manhole covers, cobblestone streets, gaps, crevaces, and misaligned concrete slabs with relative aplomb.

7-hour recharge

Smart recommends that owners purchase a 240-Volt Level 2 charging station, which will recharge an entirely depleted battery in 6 to 7 hours via a 3.3-kW onboard charger.

Charging the pack from 20 to 80 percent capacity, however, takes only 3.5 hours. No fast-charging option is offered on ED3s sold in the U.S.
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Re: Smart ForTwo Electric Drive Priced At $25,000 Pre-Rebate

Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:16 pm

edatoakrun wrote:The liquid-cooled battery pack adds about 330 pounds to the weight of the standard Smart ForTwo, so it's hardly a light car...
It weighs less than a ton (2000lbs.), so I would call that 'light' for a car.
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