barsad22 wrote: probably will not do as much nickel-and-diming as Tesla is doing. Is it worth the premium?
Apologies to the Bolt crowd for leaving it off the poll... I know it is popular, but I've heard some negative things about the seats and driving power.
For the first part, it really depends. Tesla's Supercharger network is unmatched in the US. For long distance travel, there really is no viable alternative. CHAdeMO and SAE Combo network deployments are haphazard and many don't have multiple stalls besides lower charging rates. There are so many other things to write about (pro and con), some of which I probably already have.
I wrote about some reason why I ruled out the 3 at the time I was in the market at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 59#p547159
I've spoken w/two different people with 3's, one of which told me first the automatic wipers are garbage. I think he used the words almost dangerous. I talked to another guy today w/a 3 and he confirmed the same thing. It really is too bad that Tesla made the choices they did. If they'd only put on a traditional wiper stalk on like Japanese cars w/a wheel for intermittent on the stalk.
I also do NOT like the fact they crammed everything onto the touchscreen, there's no speedo in front of you nor an optional HUD. Model 3 still has no Android Auto nor CarPlay and may never. CarPlay is very cool now that I've used it for awhile.
As for Bolt, I was confused since it met the criteria but wasn't sure why it was missing. Yes, the front seats are terrible on the '17, esp. if you're a wide person and still not good to me even though I'm not wide (rented one for a day, there were no '18 nor '19 to rent). They improved the seats on '18+ but they're still not great. For me: too hard and shaped funny (both cushions). Gen 1 Leaf's seats are more comfortable, for sure. I'm on-off exploring ways to rectify (e.g. cushions, covers, etc.)
Driving power? Not sure what you're talking about there. In acceleration, it blows the doors off gen 1 Leaf (in 0 to 60 mph and 1/4 mile) and is faster than 40 kWh Leaf. It's FWD like Leaf though, so you have the issue of weight transfer off the driving wheels when you floor it. When accelerating, car will squat which means more weight and downforce to the rear wheels and less to the front. This is great (!) for RWD cars and bad for FWD. (I know since in the past I'd taken my 255 hp FWD Nissan Maxima and 287 hp RWD 350Z to the track to drag race in the past.)
To bench race using Consumer Reports figures (yes, they're a bit slower than many other publications but this is to get apples comparisons via same test procedure and track):
Bolt: 0 to 60 mph: 6.8 seconds; 45 to 65 mph: 3.5 sec; 1/4 mile: 15.3 sec @ 93 mph <-- similar to V6 powered cars. IIRC, the best I managed on my Maxima was in the mid to low 15's on the 1/4. It's been a long time.
2011 Leaf: 10.3 sec; 6.2 sec; 17.8 sec @ 77 mph <-- 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile times are not unlike automatic transmission wimpy econoboxes
2018 Leaf: 8.0 sec; 4.5 sec; 16.3 @ 87 mph
We won't have 62 kWh Leaf CR figures for awhile. I expect 62 kWh Leaf to have comparable times to Bolt, maybe slightly slower. Go test drive a Bolt, even w/o using sport mode.