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POLL: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:16 pm

If an administrator would be so kind, perhaps we could get a poll posted that asks this of the forum:
If you had to purchase a new BEV right now, which one would it be:
Nissan's Leaf Plus
Kia's Niro EV
Hyundai's Kona EV
Tesla 3
Other

I am a 2011 owner of a Leaf at 60 percent capacity (in the Bay Area, not AZ, those first gen batteries really weren't up to par, but I knew what I signed up for) ... So I am thirsty for range and buying one of the four 200-plusers this year is in my future. I have been on the waitlist for a $35K Tesla 3 for nearly 3 years... I don't think it's coming at that price, and I resent Elon's upsell.
The question on the other ones is when we'll see them in California dealerships. I heard end of Feb (which is now) for the Niro, March for the Leaf, but nothing has materialized. Why is it so hard to get online reservations for these like Tesla did?
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Re: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:25 pm

I don't have the expertise to do a poll. Given the likely level of response, all you have to do is use this topic as a poll. You can edit the title in your first post.
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Re: POLL: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:50 pm

Kona EV is in dealerships.
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Re: POLL: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:25 pm

Why isn’t the Bolt in there?

There is heavy discounting going on now (e.g. Fremont Chevrolet, openly advertised on their web site).

If you want to purchase, better get one before April 1st, which is when tax credit on GM EVs/PHEVs gets cut in half. Dates are listed at https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev-electric-car. It's unknown whether GM will cut prices/offer more incentives to make up for the tax credit reductions given that Nissan and all other automakers (except Tesla) will still have full credit.
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Re: POLL: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:40 pm

Leaf Plus
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Re: POLL: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:39 pm

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Re: POLL: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:46 pm

iPlug wrote:Kona EV is in dealerships.
With reported price gouging: https://insideevs.com/hyundai-dealers-p ... -electric/
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Re: POLL: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:52 pm

If I had to replace my eGolf, and HAD to have 200 miles range, I would probably go with the Kona*, for the following reasons:

1. Want a hatchback (so Model 3 is out)
2. Like the styling more than the Leaf or Bolt or Niro
3. Seats more comfortable (for me) than Bolt
4. Interior looks more upmarket than Leaf or Bolt
5. Tesla’s initial build quality issues

That said, I REALLY like my eGolf, so I’ll probably hold out for the VW ID series.

*once dealers stop gouging on it
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Re: POLL: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:02 pm

RonDawg wrote:
iPlug wrote:Kona EV is in dealerships.
With reported price gouging: https://insideevs.com/hyundai-dealers-p ... -electric/
Quite common to find some dealers doing this for new vehicles with demand >> supply. Still, can be had now at MSRP.

Currently 4 at our local dealership, manager says they do not sell any vehicles above MSRP.

http://www.rosevillehyundai.com/Vehicle ... =Kona%20EV
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Re: POLL: Battle of the 200-Miles-Plus, under $45K Cars

Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:50 am

Also, to add another poll choice (not that I care), is the https://www.kia.com/us/en/content/vehic ... 20-soul-ev. There, they claim "Soul EV hits dealerships in mid-late March 2019, in select markets in limited quantities." I wonder if it'll be So Cal only virtual vaporware like the Ioniq EV was for over a year or two.

I've seem claims this Soul EV will be EPA rated at 243 miles.

If you hadn't seen my other posts in other threads here, I bought a new '19 Bolt about a month ago. 3 was ruled out. HyunKia cars I wasn't going to wait around for given their Ioniq EV availability track record.

Leaf Plus was a possibility, but was uncertain about availability before April 1st and doubted there'd be any heavy discounting in time. Also, lack of battery TMS was a concern and AESC's degradation track record. It is too bad. If it had active TMS and there were a better degradation track record AND price were the same as (heavily discounted) Bolt or very close, I'd have probably chosen Leaf Plus.

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