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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:54 am

GCC:
I-5 electric truck charging sites mapped out by electric utilities; West Coast Clean Transit Corridor

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... 8-wcc.html

The West Coast Clean Transit Corridor Initiative, a study commissioned by a collaboration among nine electric utilities and two agencies representing more than two dozen municipal utilities, recommends adding electric vehicle charging for freight haulers and delivery trucks at 50-mile intervals along Interstate 5 and adjoining highways. . . .

The study’s final report proposes a phased approach for electrifying the I-5 corridor. The first phase would involve installing 27 charging sites along I-5 at 50-mile intervals for medium-duty electric vehicles, such as delivery vans, by 2025. Then, later, 14 of the 27 charging sites would be expanded to also accommodate charging for electric big rigs by 2030, when it is estimated that 8% of all trucks on the road in California could be electric.

Of the 27 proposed sites, 16 are in California, five are in Oregon and six are in Washington. An additional 41 sites on other highways that connect to I-5 are being proposed for electrification. Those highways include Interstates 8, 10, 80, 210 and 710 and state routes 60 and 99 in California; I-84 in Oregon; and I-90 in Washington.

The report recommends expanding state, federal or private programs that provide funding for electrification, which could further accelerate electric truck adoption and expand economic opportunities associated with building sites. Several utilities in California—LADWP, PG&E, SDG&E and SCE—have programs aimed at supporting the adoption of electric trucks, but more support will be needed to reach electrification levels identified in the study and to meet state climate goals.

Other key findings in the report are:

Most utilities in California, Oregon and Washington have enough capacity in urban areas along I-5 to support interconnections with the medium-duty charging sites. Rural areas are more of a challenge and none of the rural areas currently have capacity to serve heavy-duty site development. . . .

Clean fuel policies in West Coast states continue to drive transportation electrification in the near term and additional state, federal and private programs that provide funding for electrification could further accelerate electric truck adoption. . . .
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:04 am

smkettner posted a link to this in the H2 and FCEVs topic, but I think it belongs here so am reposting it with the article headline. Bloomberg:
Nikola Founder Exaggerated the Capability of His Debut Truck

https://www-bloomberg-com.cdn.ampprojec ... ebut-truck


Basically says they showed a non-functional prototype at the roll-out. Not exactly an unknown practice, as the article mentions, but unquestionably deceptive.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:38 pm

GRA wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:04 am
smkettner posted a link to this in the H2 and FCEVs topic, but I think it belongs here so am reposting it with the article headline. Bloomberg:
Nikola Founder Exaggerated the Capability of His Debut Truck

https://www-bloomberg-com.cdn.ampprojec ... ebut-truck


Basically says they showed a non-functional prototype at the roll-out. Not exactly an unknown practice, as the article mentions, but unquestionably deceptive.
Just like with Tesla, info "noise" doesn't really affect the market value, i.e. stock is basically unchanged.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:29 pm

Easy fix is to demonstrate some level of working prototype asap. Not sure if that exists even today.
Odd how this comes out just after going public.

This is not like Tesla in that Tesla has a working prototype running cross country.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:13 am

smkettner wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:29 pm
This is not like Tesla in that Tesla has a working prototype running cross country.
Really? Laughable, in that Tesla hasn't mentioned it in over a year until Nikola went public.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:54 pm

Both GCC:
Ballard receives follow-on orders for 15 fuel cell modules from Wrightbus to power UK buses

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... llard.html

. . . Including the new order for 15 modules, Ballard currently has orders in-hand from Wrightbus for a total of 50 modules to power FCEBs in the UK, 35 of which were previously announced in 2019.

Of those 35 modules, 20 are to power buses planned for deployment in London and 15 are for buses planned for deployment in Aberdeen. Ballard expects to ship all 50 modules in 2020. . . .

Ballard, Wrightbus and Ryse
Hydrogen—also a Bamford-owned business—are founding members of the H2Bus Consortium, announced in June 2019 and focused on deployment of at least 1,000 zero-emission Fuel Cell Electric Buses and related infrastructure in European cities at commercially competitive rates. Ryse Hydrogen is working toward the creation of a green hydrogen ecosystem for the production, distribution and dispensing of clean hydrogen fuel. . . .

Ballard currently has orders in-hand from multiple bus OEMs—including Wrightbus—for a total of 127 fuel cell modules to power FCEBs in at least 7 cities in the UK, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands, all under the Joint Initiative For Hydrogen Vehicles Across Europe (JIVE) program funded by FCH-JU.

Volvo Trucks deploys first pilot all-electric VNR Truck at TEC Equipment in Southern California

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... volvo.html

The first pilot Volvo VNR Electric truck will operate at the Volvo Trucks North America TEC Equipment dealership in Fontana, California. The zero-emission truck will transport local parts between the TEC Equipment dealerships in Fontana and La Mirada.

The TEC Fontana dealership has two 50 kW chargers inside its truck maintenance bays, as well as a 150 kW charger located outside to enable fleet customers to fast charge at the dealership. Over the past year, the Volvo LIGHTS team worked with Southern California Edison (the local utility) and San Bernardino County (Authority Having Jurisdiction, or AHJ) to install the high-power infrastructure. . . .

Starting in 2021, Southern California businesses will have the opportunity to lease Volvo VNR Electric trucks from TEC Equipment to gain firsthand experience with these advanced trucks in their fleet operations. . . .

As part of the Volvo LIGHTS project, two local fleet operators—NFI Industries and Dependable Supply Chain Services—will also begin demonstrating the pilot Volvo VNR Electric trucks for full operations in their regional routes later this summer.

The Volvo LIGHTS project was made possible by an award to South Coast AQMD of $44.8 million from CARB as part of California Climate Investments (CCI). . . .

As a result, South Coast AQMD contributed $4 million from the Clean Fuels Fund and awarded a $45.6M contract to the Volvo Group to design and implement the project. Volvo and its partners have promised no less than $45.7M matching contribution to increase the total project value to more than $91M for South Coast AQMD to administer.

The Volvo LIGHTS team also includes partnerships with Rio Hondo College and San Bernardino Valley College (SBVC) to create electric vehicle repair and service technician programs to prepare the region’s workforce for the introduction of battery-electric freight trucks. The colleges have already begun introducing the curriculum in the classroom and enrolling students for the fall.

Rio Hondo and SBVC are also working with the Volvo LIGHTS team to design a training program with fire departments within the Inland Empire communities—including San Bernardino County (which covers the TEC Fontana dealership), Chino and Ontario—to ensure that the region’s first responders are fully prepared to safely respond in case of an incident or accident involving a heavy-duty battery-electric vehicle (HD BEV).
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:06 pm

lorenfb wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:13 am
smkettner wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:29 pm
This is not like Tesla in that Tesla has a working prototype running cross country.
Really? Laughable, in that Tesla hasn't mentioned it in over a year until Nikola went public.
Yes the Tesla Semi traveled coast to coast on a shake down and sales tour soon after the debut. Used a special cable to charge using four Superchargers.

No such action from Nikola any time since the prototype reveal. Nikola..... throw us a bone.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:09 pm

GCC:
Wärtsilä to design and equip two zero-emissions battery-powered ferries

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... tsila.html

. . . The ships are to be built for Norwegian operator Boreal Sjö at Holland Shipyards in the Netherlands. . . .

The equipment is scheduled for delivery to the yard in the beginning of 2021 and the ships are expected to commence commercial operations in autumn 2021. . . .

The two ferry designs are not identical. One is for a 30m vessel capable of carrying 10 cars and approximately 100 passengers, while the other is for a 50m vessel for 35 cars and 149 passengers, including crew.

The ferries will serve the Launes – Kvellandstrand – Launes, and Abelnes – Andabeløy – Abelnes routes in Norway.



These are double-ended ferries, so short-range and moderate speed.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:28 pm

GCC:
Motiv Power Systems delivers nine electric box trucks to Community Resource Project

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/0 ... motiv.html

. . . The electric trucks will be deployed in greater Sacramento to provide home energy audits, weatherization and HVAC services to low-income residents in an area where air quality is some of the worst in the country. . . .

Funding for the electric vehicles (EVs) and charging infrastructure comes from the Sacramento Metropolitan Air Quality Management District (SMAQMD), California Air Resources Board (CARB) and Sacramento Municipal Utility District (SMUD). . . .

Utilizing fifth generation software, Motiv has over 100 vehicles on the road, providing customers with greater than 99% uptime. Key customers include USPS, Aramark, AmeriPride, Bimbo Bakeries, Winnebago Industries, and several school districts across the country.
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Re: AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:10 pm

GCR:
Nikola claims to be BEV and fuel cell leader, hasn't delivered a vehicle yet

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... ehicle-yet

. . .In a LinkedIn post published Sunday, Milton said that battery-electric and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles don't compete; they complement each other. Fuel cells make more sense for trips of more than 300 miles, while batteries are better suited to trips under 300 miles, Milton said. . . .

Nikola plans to focus on hydrogen fuel-cell commercial trucks because it's the less expensive option, Milton said.

Milton expects battery-electric trucks to operate primarily in urban areas, where they'll be subject to electricity rates set by utility companies. On the other hand, Nikola plans to build hydrogen stations along major highways, tapping directly into adjacent federal transmission lines via power purchase agreements, Milton said.

Milton quoted an average $0.26 per kilowatt-hour to charge a battery-electric truck in California, but claimed Nikola will able to get electricity at $0.04 per kwh to run its roadside hydrogen-production stations.

The trucks themselves will also be cheaper to run, Milton said. He estimated that a 500-mile electric truck will require 1,100 kwh of batteries, costing $122,000 per truck. and added that repeated fast charging could lead to battery degradation.

Charging could also overwhelm the grid, Milton claimed. Each truck would require 1 megawatt hour of energy and would require "major modifications and new power plants" to create the needed grid capacity, Milton said.

A battery-electric truck could weigh up to 10,000 pounds more than a fuel-cell truck, putting it at a disadvantage in payload capacity, Milton said. Each pound of payload capacity lost means less revenue for the operator.

"It's not only efficiency, it's cost per mile," Milton reiterated on Twitter. "They don't go hand in hand. . . ."

I agree with most of his points re the.different use cases for BEV and FCEV trucks.
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