UBUYGAS
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That's No Problem Tom, I didn't like you from your first post! HA!
hyperlexis said:Cluttered up with stations? OMG is this a joke. Like we are cluttered up with light poles and public mailboxes?
JasonA said:Umm.. maybe because hydrants are part of our fire/life & safety infrastructure... You of all people being in SF should appreciate that :roll:
Charging stations are not, and a quick look on PS shows how well we're doing.. we don't need to stack more every 50 on the hwy. Make the vehicles more efficient for long range and it's a done deal.
Newporttom said:Won't sign. Leaf is not a highway vehicle. Stopping to charge every 50 miles is crazy. Put those same chargers strategically placed in all the majors cities makes the Leaf a totally viable city vehicle.
Lasareath said:I'm sorry in advance and if you hate me after saying, well I don't give a ****.. All the people on this post that say they won't sign are idiots.
DaveinOlyWA said:For anyone who uses their LEAF as a commuter only and never needs to charge publicly then that is great but for me? my life is much less predictable and my desire to see things 30-50 miles away in my LEAF is very great. This "oasis" is one that is VERY much appreciated.
TomT said:If it is a destination that you would WANT to spend a few hours at for the sake of the destination itself, that is fine. Otherwise, QC is the only thing that makes much sense to me, and not for extended road trips regardless, which is not the Leaf's forte...
DaveinOlyWA said:For anyone who uses their LEAF as a commuter only and never needs to charge publicly then that is great but for me? my life is much less predictable and my desire to see things 30-50 miles away in my LEAF is very great. This "oasis" is one that is VERY much appreciated.
Lasareath said:Well the closest one to my house is 103 miles away. I don't think I can make it!, every 20 miles would be wonderful. Then I can get rid of my ICE car!
Here's where it's located: https://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&q=travel+plaza+carneys+point+NJ&fb=1&gl=us&hq=travel+plaza&hnear=0x89c71df0867b4435:0xa3ee3892fb7ce346,Carneys+Point+Township,+NJ&cid=0,0,4561571390203801453&ei=Y9r_UbeyGJbK4APQ_4DYAg&ved=0CJYBEPwSMAs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
DaveinOlyWA said:Lasareath said:Well the closest one to my house is 103 miles away. I don't think I can make it!, every 20 miles would be wonderful. Then I can get rid of my ICE car!
Here's where it's located: https://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&q=travel+plaza+carneys+point+NJ&fb=1&gl=us&hq=travel+plaza&hnear=0x89c71df0867b4435:0xa3ee3892fb7ce346,Carneys+Point+Township,+NJ&cid=0,0,4561571390203801453&ei=Y9r_UbeyGJbK4APQ_4DYAg&ved=0CJYBEPwSMAs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
is not your situation the entire reason for this petition? equal access!
+1. I can't imagine anything more idiotic than having the government installing QCs every x number of miles on I-80 from Reno to Wendover across Nevada, given the current limited ranges of affordable BEVs. None of the current affordable BEVs can even do an hour at the freeway speed limit in any state under ideal conditions, with an 80% QC and recharging at LBW or equivalent. Let's concentrate for now on putting them in where both the population and the distances make them reasonable for travel within or between metropolitan areas or city pairs. E.G., by all means put them along I-17/I-10 to allow travel between Flagstaff, Phoenix and Tucson, as well as recreational areas within range of a single QC around each of these metro areas (Grand Canyon from Flagstaff), but don't put them along I-90 from Spokane to Butte. Let Tesla cover that, as they have the only BEV with the necessary (barely) range to make it worthwhile.planet4ever said:I'm not sure why, but I have been watching this thread silently, and now I can no longer resist becoming one of Lasareath's "idiots".
I love my LEAF. My 2011 and now 2013 are my favorite cars in all my 60 years of driving. But ...
The LEAF top speed is 40 mph for distance travel.
That's a scientific fact, and there is no way around it without a new and better battery. This is not a touring car, and even if you spend a Bazillion dollars putting in QC stations every 100 yards on every road in the nation, you still will be limited to an effective speed of about 40 mph for long trips.
I can't believe that even 1% of the nation's population would find such a restriction reasonable. So it is not reasonable that the general public can be sold on accepting the LEAF as a touring car. But that is exactly what we would be trying to sell them on by making a huge investment in inter-city QC stations.
No, I haven't signed the petition, and I have no intention of doing so. The nation has far more important uses for its money.
Ray
What do you consider "distance" travel? I posted this in the CANbus thread.. but I went down to GregH's this last weekend.. (130 RT miles)...planet4ever said:The LEAF top speed is 40 mph for distance travel.
That's a scientific fact, and there is no way around it without a new and better battery.
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