Yes and to make Scott happy - it's a plug-in hybrid with an electric motor that allows strict short-range BEV operation as well as an ICE for regular ICE vehicle mode ;-)TRONZ said:I think no one has a problem with the Volt as long as the public knows they are getting a Plug-In Hybrid instead of a BEV.
GroundLoop said:I've also met quite a few BEV enthusiasts that would buy a Volt, if it was anyone but GM making it. You can blame it on a certain movie, or the long memory of EV geeks.
Me as well. My longest regular commute comes out to about 60 miles round trip. I can do that on the LEAF no problem; with a Volt, I'd either need gas or to stop for a charge partway through.TomT said:1) It needs 50 percent better EV-only range to be practical for my needs. Otherwise, I'd spent too much time on gas at only mediocre mileage. This was far and away the biggie for me!
Bolded text may qualify as the understatement of the year. It seems to be cleared up now, but boy, I remember the howling fury towards the ordering system 8 months ago!4) Having to deal with Chevy's predatory Volt dealers. The Leaf order system was far from perfect but still also far more civilized.
You can also go down to Vancouver USA ;-)Packet said:If I still drove up to Vancouver or down to Portland on a regular basis, however, I'd probably have considered the Volt more seriously.
defiancecp said:A $37k (actual walk-away-from-the-dealer price before rebate) volt from a non-GM manufacturer would make me a pretty much guaranteed buyer
What's wrong with the PIP and what did you expect?defiancecp said:Incidentally I was pretty disappointed to see the plug-in prius so badly implemented
Herm said:The company has been cleaned out, its nice and fresh now. They paid for the EV-1 atrocity.
drees said:What's wrong with the PIP and what did you expect?defiancecp said:Incidentally I was pretty disappointed to see the plug-in prius so badly implemented
Completely agree. I think it would even be great of more Volt owners posted here or Leaf owners posted their. Generally clears up some of the perceptions.Rusty said:I believe it's counter-productive to the EV revolution/evolution for us to snipe at each other's cars just because of how we feel about each other's car's manufacturers.
Could be.scottf200 said:I think it is enormously presumptive to see "we all" get that". My post are not to some of the very in-tune veterans like yourself. I am 100% sure that many (new comers and some veterans and lurkers from other car forums) do not understand the unique characteristic of the Volt that the the ICE does not come on under load and does not come on at a particular MPH (ie. ~62 in the new Plug-In-Prius/PIP, ~?? CMax-Energi). Peace out.
It probably doesn't matter.evnow said:My main point was - a lot of Volt onwers don't seem to understand that BEVs are perfect for multi-car households. Not sure why.
Actually it does - because the popular press doesn't seem to understand that either. They all write as if we just have individuals in this country - not families with multiple cars.walterbays said:It probably doesn't matter.
I have a problem with your statement, TRONZ. There is a middle ground, and the Volt does occupy it. The plug-in Prius is a PHEV. So far as I know, the following statements are true, ignoring all-electric range limits, but I'm sure someone will correct me if they are not:TRONZ said:I think no one has a problem with the Volt as long as the public knows they are getting a Plug-In Hybrid instead of a BEV.
Yes.Herm said:You zealots are dancing a conga all over the head of a pin.. all three Leaf, Volt and PIP are electric vehicles, and you can use them to motor about without using gas.
walterbays said:The most important thing is reducing the use of gas. Leaf does it best.
What point is there to saying the LEAF and PIP are the same, so long as you stay within limits the LEAF doesn't have? To my way of thinking that makes the LEAF better at avoiding gasoline use. That doesn't mean that for an individual, the PHEV might not be a better choice...especially if it allows that person to avoid owning a second car. Of course for an individual that drives a big car pool to work every day, a mini-van might be the greenest choice...Herm said:Walter, if your daily commute is 12 miles, what difference is there between a Leaf and a PIP?.. its all a matter of choosing the right tool for the job. There are cases in wich owning a Leaf would consume more oil than owning a PIP.walterbays said:The most important thing is reducing the use of gas. Leaf does it best.
Even if you never drive more than a mile a week, the Volt will use gasoline. It will NEED gasoline. It will need gasoline for at least three different reasons completely unrelated to actual driving. I don't know many details about the PIP yet but since it has an ICE it's a safe bet it, too, will NEED gasoline. Likely for very similar reasons.Herm said:Walter, if your daily commute is 12 miles, what difference is there between a Leaf and a PIP?.. its all a matter of choosing the right tool for the job. There are cases in wich owning a Leaf would consume more oil than owning a PIP.
GM's marketing department does. When people say "Hybrid" they think "Prius." GM needs to fabricate a new label for their vehicle to set it apart from the competition. It's a valid concern, IMHO, because most people are not going to understand the difference between a parallel hybrid like the Prius and a serial hybrid like the Volt.davewill said:As far as the whole "EREV" thing, I just don't see a clear enough difference between that and a PHEV to be worth creating the new classification.
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