GetOffYourGas said:
TonyWilliams said:
GetOffYourGas said:
Just to play Devil's Advocate here (and to take a page out of your playbook), I will point out that Washington's Quick Charge infrastructure is CHAdeMO whereas VW will be using SAE CCS.
VW will use CHAdeMO in Japan. They chose to use CCS here in the US; they could just as easily offer either, or both.
Given a choice of a VW with one charge plug over the other, I know what 98% of the folks in Washington and Oregon would chose.
One VW executive remarked, “we don’t want to discriminate” on charging standards, explaining …the investors and the users will decide.” If that is true, please make CHAdeMO optional in the US. Let the users decide.
Yeah, wouldn't that be great? I'm not exactly holding my breath here.
And doesn't BMW offer CHAdeMO on the i3 in Japan or am I mistaken?
Here in upstate NY, the whole argument is moot. We have exactly zero quick chargers of either sort. Only Tesla dares to venture here. I am glad that there are some starting to appear along the I-95 corridor from DC to Boston. All of those are - wait for it - CHAdeMO. Not a single CCS that I know of.
Yes, BMW will also offer a clunky afterthought CHAdeMO port (so poorly planned for that they put the J1772 port under the hood of a purpose built from scratch car).
I'm surprised that the CCS consortium wasn't pumping dollars into these "fertile" areas. The west coast is largely lost for CCS, but consortium members could have moved heaven and earth to get east coast areas that require ZEV's in ever increasing numbers.
It could have been Westinghouse and Kaiser all over again !!!
Personally, I think internally, the GM / German consortium is in trouble. Tesla and Nissan are handing them crow daily, and they don't even seem to fight back. Where is all the vitriol of two years ago. We know that there aren't any chargers (well, ten CCS Combo1 chargers in the entire USA)..
The reality is that the GM and German car standard has not grown commensurate with other charge standards. It is grossly late to the game and not actively supported by the auto manufacturers who are members. Heck, hydrogen might beat them !!!
Protocol .......... US Deployed . World Deployed . US Cars . Worldwide Cars
Hydrogen................20....................40....................25.................100....
CCS Combo1 ........ 10 ....................10 ................. 150 ............. 150 ... (moribund)
CCS Combo2 ........ 0 ......................50 .................... 0 ............. 800 ... (moribund)
CHAdeMO ......... 600 ................ 3,800 ............. 50,000 ....... 140,000 (growing fast)
Supercharger .... 600 ................... 650 ............. 25,000 ......... 35,000 (extreme growth)