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EVDRIVER said:Digital- low and irrelevant.
Found this - low, but not irrelevant, although far less than several kW: https://teslatap.com/articles/audio-systems-for-the-model-3/
EVDRIVER said:Digital- low and irrelevant.
Those are peak ratings. Actual average power consumption will be far less. On the order of 10s of watts at normal listening levels. Or basically negligible.GRA said:Found this - low, but not irrelevant, although far less than several kW: https://teslatap.com/articles/audio-systems-for-the-model-3/
EatsShootsandLeafs said:Stock is $586 now.
I am sure glad I don't short this stock but come on, but...uh, that valuation makes no sense at all.
WetEV said:The valuation makes sense. Assuming Tesla gains and holds a monopoly on electric cars as electric cars expand to cover most of the market, that price is still cheap.
WetEV said:EatsShootsandLeafs said:Stock is $586 now.
I am sure glad I don't short this stock but come on, but...uh, that valuation makes no sense at all.
The valuation makes sense. Assuming Tesla gains and holds a monopoly on electric cars as electric cars expand to cover most of the market, that price is still cheap.
DaveEV said:Those are peak ratings. Actual average power consumption will be far less. On the order of 10s of watts at normal listening levels. Or basically negligible.GRA said:Found this - low, but not irrelevant, although far less than several kW: https://teslatap.com/articles/audio-systems-for-the-model-3/
EVDRIVER said:It is irrelevant as the entire discussion started about the high extra billing at an Sc which is wrong. A two second calc in ones head tells one that so who cars about such non sense and what doe sit have to do with the corp outlook which today at looks quite good as we now approach 600.
LTLFTcomposite said:Every other auto manufacturer is failing with their EV offerings. People want Teslas, not compliance cars from manufacturers who are dragged into this kicking and screaming with little or no engineering expertise in the technology... particularly when you have the salesman talking you out of it.
I've made the point they are "not just a car company" to others, but even in that mindset, they are still primarily a car company that dabbles in other things. Personally, I think the valuation is absurdly high.EVDRIVER said:Tesla is not a car company and the valuation does make sense. Those that did not see this happening lost out on a great opportunity, others are now in good shape.
jlv said:I've made the point they are "not just a car company" to others, but even in that mindset, they are still primarily a car company that dabbles in other things. Personally, I think the valuation is absurdly high.EVDRIVER said:Tesla is not a car company and the valuation does make sense. Those that did not see this happening lost out on a great opportunity, others are now in good shape.
But what do I know? A week ago I sold the last of my TSLA shares at a price 12% less than the stock opened today.
EVDRIVER said:WetEV said:EatsShootsandLeafs said:Stock is $586 now.
I am sure glad I don't short this stock but come on, but...uh, that valuation makes no sense at all.
The valuation makes sense. Assuming Tesla gains and holds a monopoly on electric cars as electric cars expand to cover most of the market, that price is still cheap.
Tesla is not a car company
EVDRIVER said:Tesla does not need a monopoly to hold or increase this valuation as they have much more opportunity outside of cars alone.
Yes, assuming Tesla can monopolize the EV market it's cheap.WetEV said:EatsShootsandLeafs said:Stock is $586 now.
I am sure glad I don't short this stock but come on, but...uh, that valuation makes no sense at all.
The valuation makes sense. Assuming Tesla gains and holds a monopoly on electric cars as electric cars expand to cover most of the market, that price is still cheap.
The Taycan is widely considered to superior to the Model S. Porsche's first attempt. This is not surprising, though, as Porsche has been building cars forever.EVDRIVER said:On the EV front they are many years ahead and continue to stay that way.
EatsShootsandLeafs said:Yes, assuming Tesla can monopolize the EV market it's cheap.WetEV said:EatsShootsandLeafs said:Stock is $586 now.
I am sure glad I don't short this stock but come on, but...uh, that valuation makes no sense at all.
The valuation makes sense. Assuming Tesla gains and holds a monopoly on electric cars as electric cars expand to cover most of the market, that price is still cheap.
There is no reason whatsoever to think it will monopolize the EV market, IMO.
The Taycan is widely considered to superior to the Model S. Porsche's first attempt. This is not surprising, though, as Porsche has been building cars forever.EVDRIVER said:On the EV front they are many years ahead and continue to stay that way.
People still don't get it. They still, still, still don't understand why other manufacturers haven't come out with a decent EV. It's pretty obvious: they haven't bothered. Why would Ford come up with a money-losing EV when they can crap out F150's at thousands in profit/per? Other manufacturers are slowly coming online with EVs. Very slowly, because they actually need to make money, and they know EVs are still an almost irrelevant part of the market.
Porsche has surely muted naysayers who insist dinosaurs cannot make EVs. And when Toyota tries, and Ford tries, and VW tries, then what?
Tesla bulls keep pumping the stock up to absurd levels, insisting other manufacturers cannot make an EV, and pointing to goofy compliance cars as proof. They've never bothered to look one move further and ask why the other manufacturers are only making goofy compliance cars.
EatsShootsandLeafs said:There is no reason whatsoever to think it will monopolize the EV market, IMO.
WetEV said:Charging networks take time and money to build.
Few people need a "super-duper charger". No doubt the grid needs improvement and will have to evolve and adapt, just as it did when the "light bill" was added to by refrigerators, electric ovens, electric heaters, air-conditioning, etc... And the infrastructure improvements can aid in our ability to use renewable overproduction in one region to satisfy demand in others. It's not the end of the world, it's the beginning of a better way.goldbrick said:WetEV said:Charging networks take time and money to build.
No doubt. But if Tesla is going to monopolize the auto industry and the auto industry is going to be dominated by EV's, who is going to build the grid and generation facilities to support that kind of charging network?
Here in CO, the grid is already limiting the number of indoor marijuana grow facilities that can be built due to limits to the amount of electrical power that can be supplied to the desired areas. Imagine what would happen if every gas guzzling car today needed a super-duper charger. The current electrical grid could not handle it.
EVDRIVER said:...Tesla battery day should further widen the gap in Tesla lead since legacy auto makers are not just crippled by selling high margin cars they are crippled bu lack of talent, vision and resources.
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