Nubo
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Why "read my lips" became famous:
jspearman said:WetEV said:TonyWilliams said:I know folks keep clinging to a new 2013 with whatever upgrade that makes their LEAF experience better.
Has Chelsea Sexton contacted anyone here yet? It seems silly that they would assemble an advisory panel without owners.
Has Chelsea Sexton contacted anyone here yet? It seems silly that they would assemble an advisory panel without owners.
EVDrive said:Well if true that they are not upgrading the battery, then that is quite a buzkill.
thankyouOB said:what is the cost of a new battery, installed, oh lurking nissan man?
DaveinOlyWA said:Has Chelsea Sexton contacted anyone here yet? It seems silly that they would assemble an advisory panel without owners.
i am guessing that after a very short scan of this forum, an owner would be her last choice
TonyWilliams said:Chelsea has made contact with LEAF owners, including me. She was with Andy Palmer in New York Tuesday. Things are getting assembled, and like all projects, take time, effort, and patience.
Yes - the title of this thread made me scratch my head.Nubo said:Why "read my lips" became famous:
jspearman said:That $5000 price turned out to be bunk, since it's a remanufactured battery, not a new battery, plus there's no evidence that the $5K figure is accurate,
evnow said:Yes - the title of this thread made me scratch my head.Nubo said:Why "read my lips" became famous:
Does Tony not know the (historical) context or was he being ironic ?
WetEV said:Nissan could end rumors, much of the anger and fear by announcing a price, even in the future. As in "Nissan commits to exchanging a used battery pack from all 2011 and 2012 Leafs for a new pack or a pack with all new cells at $x"
Note that battery packs in hot places may need to be replaced 40,000 miles or so (if we use 70% as EOL). I suspect all cells will need to be replaced as all cells will be at similar loss. Is this correct? Will this be a "wouldn't be at customer cost" event?
What about 60,000 miles? 80,000 miles?
Suppose I hit 100,000 miles. I would expect to pay for a new pack anytime after 100,000 miles, so do I have a path to continue to drive the Leaf 30 miles round trip to work?
+1!TonyWilliams said:But, hopefully they will come to realize that a WHOLE bunch of nervous ninny worry would be eliminated with facts. Facts backed up by a company that we should have never had to second guess. Nobody thought these batteries were cheap, and when they announced $600 for a four-cell module, some anti-EV paper in UK was happy to celebrate the 48 * $600 = $ 28,800 battery (if I remember, they called it a $39,000 battery).
Obviously, the battery ASSEMBLY on exchange basis will be some number between $5000 - $29,000, plus installation (should be cheap... a couple hours labor max). I predict a new battery will still be in the 24kWh * $500 retail/kWh = $12,000 area exchange, and a remanufactured one in the $5000-$12,000 range.
I seriously doubt there were many who did not buy the car because of any of the those prices. That's because nobody expected Nissan not to "have our backs" if there was a problem. Now that we know that isn't the case (again, the three turned in cars in Phoenix weren't voluntary, unilateral philanthropy from Nissan... that was putting out a fire of loud, complaining owners with cars with major problems).
So, hopefully, Nissan will give us the battery price now, rather than waiting for discovery / deposition / more lawsuits / state and federal regulators / etc, to get us the information. If they then honestly advertised the true Nissan calculated battery End Of Life for a REAL 12,000 average Phoenix driver at less then 4 years, and how much it costs to replace, informed buyers are likely to make a decision either way.
Legal issues. AIUI, the way the federal incentive was written only cars sold/leased in drivable condition qualified, and that's unlikely to change given any of the most likely outcomes of the election.surfingslovak said:+1!
Renault is doing battery leases in Europe. If I remember correctly, this was considered at some point in the evolution of the US Leaf program, but it was dropped because of customer objections or legal concerns. What if it wasn't a lease though? What if it was called comprehensive battery warranty or optional battery replacement program? It could be paid upfront or in installments. Just more food for thought.
surfingslovak said:+1!
Renault is doing battery leases in Europe. If I remember correctly, this was considered at some point in the evolution of the US Leaf program, but it was dropped because of customer objections or legal concerns. What if it wasn't a lease though? What if it was called comprehensive battery warranty or optional battery replacement program? It could be paid upfront or in installments. Just more food for thought.
Like the Radio Shack "Battery of the month club" ? (man am I showing my age or what)surfingslovak said:What if it was called comprehensive battery warranty or optional battery replacement program?
LTLFTcomposite said:Like the Radio Shack "Battery of the month club" ? (man am I showing my age or what)surfingslovak said:What if it was called comprehensive battery warranty or optional battery replacement program?
Couple questions:
1) Exactly what is a "remanufactured" battery anyway?
2) There was some chatter on other threads that the 2013 battery wouldn't have any greater capacity, but it would be lighter. Is that rumor still in play?
DaveinOlyWA said:i think we have taken the word "remanufactured" to mean refurbished or even "retread"
Yes - but the title has to convey what you intend to convey, right ?TonyWilliams said:Yes, I know the history and the irony.... it's a title, guys!!
evnow said:Yes - but the title has to convey what you intend to convey, right ?TonyWilliams said:Yes, I know the history and the irony.... it's a title, guys!!
The title, given the context, means that even though Nissan is saying there is no new battery in 2013, there will be one ...
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