LTLFTcomposite
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One thing history has shown is there's no great reward for being an early adopter in EVs... in fact it's quite the opposite.
LTLFTcomposite said:One thing history has shown is there's no great reward for being an early adopter in EVs... in fact it's quite the opposite.
Yeah, I expect the leaf to be $8K cheaper on the low end by the time the bluestar arrives. On the high end there will be a Nissan that competes in range.gigglehertz said:I would love to own a model E, but unless there is some sort of Leaf-like lease deal, then I won't be getting one. "Affordable" is a relative term. I'm sure it will sell well, and I hope it will spur other automakers to mass produce a 150-mile EV I and the rest of the huddled masses can afford.
Read the quarterly financial call transcripts. Ignore the article.DanCar said:Nope, see what Musk has said: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-23/tesla-pays-back-u-s-early-as-musk-aims-for-affordability.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; According to this article it is unspecified miles and therefore best to assume Tesla miles, although recently that maybe close to EPA miles. The price of $35K is also optimistic, $40K is more realistic, according to the article.
I disagree on where the safety advantage lies. Comparing the NHTSA crash test results of a LEAF to a Model S, it's definitely safer with the Model S. And given the choices Tesla makes in their engineering I would expect similar results in the Model E. Though, for the same reason, I'd expect the LEAF to remain more energy efficient. As for the recent fire with the Tesla, that actually demonstrates the remarkable safety of the Model S battery pack design. We have yet to see how the LEAF would fare in such a situation. However, both should perform better than any ICE vehicle given the much less protection of the fuel lines and fuel tank of an ICE vehicle.DanCar said:Advantages of Tesla:
* Quality
* longer range
* Cachet - the state of being respected or admired; prestige
* Batteries last longer
Advantages of Nissan:
* Cheaper
* No battery fire yet from road debri. Safer
* Available
Your making the assumption that something like this or worse hasn't happened already several times to the many Leafs being driven out there.Christopher said:... We have yet to see how the LEAF would fare in such a situation...
I don't see where the transcript backs up your claim.evnow said:Read the quarterly financial call transcripts. Ignore the article.DanCar said:Nope, see what Musk has said: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-23/tesla-pays-back-u-s-early-as-musk-aims-for-affordability.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; According to this article it is unspecified miles and therefore best to assume Tesla miles, although recently that maybe close to EPA miles. The price of $35K is also optimistic, $40K is more realistic, according to the article.
In anycase, the poll is based on the assumptions stated.
This is not a reasonable assumption to make. There will be other changes to get the cost down. I'd bet that changes to the "armor plating" around the battery were on the chopping block until this week, probably not anymore.dhanson865 said:They'll decontent it a chunk (not as nice of an interior, smaller rims/tires) but it'll still be one of the safest most reliable cars on the road. The only possible weak point will be the battery and so long as they don't go bankrupt they'll stand behind the battery pack.
ITestStuff said:This is not a reasonable assumption to make. There will be other changes to get the cost down. I'd bet that changes to the "armor plating" around the battery were on the chopping block until this week, probably not anymore.dhanson865 said:They'll decontent it a chunk (not as nice of an interior, smaller rims/tires) but it'll still be one of the safest most reliable cars on the road. The only possible weak point will be the battery and so long as they don't go bankrupt they'll stand behind the battery pack.
I'd hope they don't start taking preorders until a few months before delivery. No reason why we should have to float them a $5k loan for years.
I don't have the time to hunt for the quotes. If you search my earlier posts on the subject I've given the links and exact quotes.DanCar said:I don't see where the transcript backs up your claim.
I think you will just keep waiting for some other car to become V2GRA said:Now, assuming that the Model E comes out, proves to be a good car, and they then make an AWD wagon/small CUV based on the same powertrain for the same price, that would be another thing.
I'll keep waiting for a manufacturer to produce a car that meet my needs at a price I can afford. I don't care which manufacturer that is (although Nissan has pretty much taken themselves out of the running, given their behavior over the past year plus).evnow said:I think you will just keep waiting for some other car to become V2GRA said:Now, assuming that the Model E comes out, proves to be a good car, and they then make an AWD wagon/small CUV based on the same powertrain for the same price, that would be another thing.
Good idea. I want to see how many problems if any they have with the X before jumping on that bandwagon.smkettner said:I am looking for a no wait time purchase as I think prices may soften up a bit at least on the S & X.
Yes I might be waiting for an extended period. Just not going to jump in again like with LEAF.