Osama Bin Laden Killed
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Gonewild
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Newbe don't be a putzhodad66 said:
We are all Americans and happy today.
The health care plan that is in the books is like the one they have in "socialist" Switzerland (you know, it helps if you get the news somewhere other than Fox)
And I can only wish the US went the way more "socialist" countries like Norway and Sweden...
And I can only wish the US went the way more "socialist" countries like Norway and Sweden...
Azat said:"I would rather see that all citizens could afford health care", like failed communist Soviet Union's health care? Then all of us will pay to repair Obama's mistake. I guess you never lived in socialist/communist country and have no idea what does mean health care in socialist/communist country. You socialist/communist just dreaming and your guy is dreaming also. The time you wake up, USA will be gone like USSR is gone by now.
Ok, then continue dreaming.
Fabio said:The health care plan that is in the books is like the one they have in "socialist" Switzerland (you know, it helps if you get the news somewhere other than Fox)
And I can only wish the US went the way more "socialist" countries like Norway and Sweden...
Azat said:"I would rather see that all citizens could afford health care", like failed communist Soviet Union's health care? Then all of us will pay to repair Obama's mistake. I guess you never lived in socialist/communist country and have no idea what does mean health care in socialist/communist country. You socialist/communist just dreaming and your guy is dreaming also. The time you wake up, USA will be gone like USSR is gone by now.
What socialist health care might look like:
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Doesn't seem like such a bad deal to me. :|
We collectively pay ~50% more for health care than any other country but are not actually healthier for it. I attribute this (though I lack citations) in large part but not entirely on a for-profit heath care system and for-profit heath insurance system, both of which are designed and operated to make money rather than actually improve people's health.
(Hopefully this will derail the thread into an equally off-topic discussion that actually matters, since bin Laden's corpse does not.)
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Doesn't seem like such a bad deal to me. :|
We collectively pay ~50% more for health care than any other country but are not actually healthier for it. I attribute this (though I lack citations) in large part but not entirely on a for-profit heath care system and for-profit heath insurance system, both of which are designed and operated to make money rather than actually improve people's health.
(Hopefully this will derail the thread into an equally off-topic discussion that actually matters, since bin Laden's corpse does not.)
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hodad66
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amen to that... the death of OBL after all this time means little.
AndyH
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The proper term of address, Azat, same as for ANY sitting President, is "President Obama". We don't have to respect the specific office-holder, but as Americans we had best continue to respect and defend the highest office in our great nation.Azat said:
As for the mission: This has nothing to do with luck - this is what happens when intense preparation and ceaseless vigilance meets opportunity. The President, as Commander in Chief, though solely responsible for his very gutsy call, shares the right to enjoy the fruits of a job well done with those down the chain of commend to the E1s that support the SEAL team that were intimately involved in Pakistan.
Additionally, it's another job well done that the nature and timing of the strike wasn't leaked prior to the mission.
Ready2plugin
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AndyH said:
Andy...very well said!!! The lack of respect in this country (for leaders, teachers, parents.....) is what's hurting this country. We can have our differences (having the ability to have and debate our differences is also what makes this country great), but at the same time we need to learn to repect those differences.
LTLFTcomposite
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Some times the most effective thing you can do as a leader is be supportive and not interfere with the experts working on a problem. I'm not a big Obama fan but I will certainly give him that.
As for the specifics of the operation I think most would agree he pretty much delegated the work. The disagreement will be over how much "credit" he gets for putting the machinery in place that got this job done vs his predecessor. I'm inclined to believe the real credit goes to people whose names we'll never know. Who knows the POTUS may not even know.
As for the specifics of the operation I think most would agree he pretty much delegated the work. The disagreement will be over how much "credit" he gets for putting the machinery in place that got this job done vs his predecessor. I'm inclined to believe the real credit goes to people whose names we'll never know. Who knows the POTUS may not even know.
Beachcliffs
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No politics intended at all by the following statement ... "do you really believe we would have ever heard about a failed mission?"Boomer23 said:
Very gutsy move by Navy Seals (and good job by the politicos for staying out of the way).
Stoaty
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Not from the U.S., but if Pakistan got wind of it I'm sure we would have heard something.Beachcliffs said:
The bombing of the medicine factory by Clinton, Bush's Tora-Bora and the JFK's Bay of Pigs come to mind when thinking about failed missions.
I'm sure there are plenty that we've never heard about. But major screw ups have a way to become public.
Also, "The politicos" (like Leon Panetta) were the people behind the mission, and the Navy Seals did crash the helicopter without being hit by enemy fire.
I'm sure there are plenty that we've never heard about. But major screw ups have a way to become public.
Also, "The politicos" (like Leon Panetta) were the people behind the mission, and the Navy Seals did crash the helicopter without being hit by enemy fire.
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derkraut
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Wouldn't it be nice if this thread could just die, like Osama did? GEEESH! :roll:
LTLFTcomposite
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derkraut said:
Yeah, but you can't not read it, can you? :lol:
Speaking of failed missions don't forget the Iranian hostage rescue. What's with helicopters anyway? They always seem to let you down right in the middle of some covert operation.
AndyH
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It only looks that way because they helos are the only way to get into most of these hard places.LTLFTcomposite said:
(That's hard for a fixed-wing pilot and AF vet to type.
)Yes - in this electronic age we'd almost certainly find out about a failed mission. Did you see the tweet from some guy in Pakistan that reported on the helos over the compound?
Look at 1 May:
http://twitter.com/#!/reallyvirtual
TRONZ
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After 8 years in the USMC I have a pretty good idea for the chain of command and currently it starts with President Obama. He is the Commander In Chief, very smart and established the priorities for his hand picked administration. This equally, smart hand picked Administration solved the REAL problem of directing Intel resources, finding Bin Laden and keeping it all a secret. Give respect to everyone involved. Killing Bin Laden, a single man, was NOT a military problem it was a geographical problem. The President and his administration figured out where Bin Laden was, the President Ordered the generals to go get him and Special Ops executed the mission with amazing speed and precision. It's called teamwork and how you get big things done.
Jimmydreams
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Azat said:
No, but you seem completely unable to give the President any credit whatsoever. And yet you wonder why people take your log-in name and change it to something else.
In politics, there is never any one absolutely correct answer and neither side ever has sole custody of the truth. But the inability of one side to recognize any correctness or truth in the other side can only lead to bad things.
As Sgt. Hulka once said:
AndyH
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Sorry man - in a friendly way - clearly you "don't got it".Azat said:
1. President Obama
2. The key points (kicking podium now) are TEAM and Chain of Command and sending quality info up the chain and expertly executing orders that flow down the chain.
When all the parts work as they should, the mission is completed successfully - in spite of failed equipment - and everyone that went in comes back out. Extra credit if all pieces and parts are in the same general arrangement on the way out as they were on the way in.
One more time and we'll have a blanket party and/or start remedial training. :lol:
TRONZ - this Zoomie lowers his gaze - just a bit
- in your direction. Thank you Marine.
