Official Toyota RAV4 EV thread

[MashedPotato]

Those fresh dates in the last picture look yummy...

 

[KeiJidosha]

If any LEAFers want to join us:

Feb 2, 2013 meeting at the The Irvine Market Place, 10 am:

Corner Bakery Cafe
http://www.cornerbakerycafe.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
13786 Jamboree Road
Irvine
(714) 734-8270

4 GE WattStations. Adjacent to Edwards Market Place and Barnes & Noble.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=13786+Jamboree+Road&hl=en&ll=33.722568,-117.789957&spn=0.002158,0.002789&sll=32.824552,-117.108978&sspn=0.789352,1.428223&hnear=13786+Jamboree+Rd,+Irvine,+California+92602&t=h&z=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Location with chargers, easy parking, and roughly equidistant from Ventura (101 miles), San Diego (85 miles), Palmdale (99 miles) and Palm Springs (88 miles).

Looks like I'll arrive empty. My Plan B in case the cranky GE WattStations don't like my Paypal account.

 

[TonyWilliams]

Looks like I'll arrive empty. My Plan B in case the cranky GE WattStations don't like my Paypal account.

See ya then! Are you sure that plan B isn't the same GE Wattstations?

 

[aries]

I'm picking up my new RAV in the morning. Totally stoked! Just got to make that temperature mod (Ingineer) to the inlet so my Blink doesn't melt the thing down!

 

[aries]

So, does anyone know if a j1772 "extension cord" is made? As is likely very well known, the RAV and seemingly most all other EV stupidly have their charge port in the gas inlet versus the nose. For me this is extremely inconvenient as it means I would need to back into where I normally park at home.

An extension cable would be very handy...

Alternatively, I suppose I could replace or extend the existing cable though I would prefer not to modify the blink.

Anyone have thoughts on this?

 

[reeler]

As is likely very well known, the RAV and seemingly most all other EV stupidly have their charge port in the gas inlet versus the nose. For me this is extremely inconvenient as it means I would need to back into where I normally park at home.

Alternatively, I suppose I could replace or extend the existing cable though I would prefer not to modify the blink.

Anyone have thoughts on this?

You could never get UL approval for an extension cable at 240V. Someone might do it, but the connectors are very very expensive.

I am tempted to modify my charger. A 25 ft cable instead of the 15 ft one I have would do it. Does anyone sell 40 Amp cable that I can use to modify my Aerovironment charger?

 

[Randy]

Leviton makes nice J1772 cables and connectors in 3 different current ratings....You mentioned 40 amp and Aerovironment, but doesn't it really put out 30 amps max? Maybe you're thinking of the 40 amp circuit it connects to? Anyways, Leviton makes a 30 amp cordset...

http://store.leviton.com/b/5742800011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[reeler]

Leviton makes nice J1772 cables and connectors in 3 different current ratings....You mentioned 40 amp and Aerovironment, but doesn't it really put out 30 amps max? Maybe you're thinking of the 40 amp circuit it connects to? Anyways, Leviton makes a 30 amp cordset...

http://store.leviton.com/b/5742800011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That will work nicely. Aerovironment is 30A.

 

[TonyWilliams]

This is how you put an "extension" cord on a J1772:

http://modularevpower.com/J1772_adapters.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[aries]

Leviton makes nice J1772 cables and connectors in 3 different current ratings....You mentioned 40 amp and Aerovironment, but doesn't it really put out 30 amps max? Maybe you're thinking of the 40 amp circuit it connects to? Anyways, Leviton makes a 30 amp cordset...

http://store.leviton.com/b/5742800011" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh, yes, nice. This is exactly what I will do. Thanks for posting that! Presumably those J1772 handles should be less... well, concerning, than the ones on the blink...

 

[Ingineer]

We have done custom J1772 extensions for people. Inlet on one end and J1772 Handle on the other. We can do any length needed, but be warned the cable is heavy and expensive as it must be rated for 70A.

-Phil

 

[xtremeflyer]

Another $1000 off this month. RAV4EV Loyalty Credit gone.

Get 0.0% APR for 60 months PLUS $6,000 Finance Cash on a new 2012 RAV4EV

0.0% APR for 36 months
0.0% APR for 48 months
0.0% APR for 60 months
PLUS $6,000 Finance Cash
Includes Toyota Care
Offer Ends 2/4/2013

 

[cwerdna]

WARNING WARNING WARNING

Toyota has an interesting handling of the IRS $7500 tax credit. Those of us who bought a LEAF know all too well that when you buy the car, you file tax form 8936 for the $7500 credit.

But if we lease, Nissan will rightly take the credit, and pass it on to in your lease as a $7500 tax credit.

TOYOTA DOES NOT DO THIS !!! Toyota keeps the credit, according to the Toyota regional dude who explained it away with the dealer I was trying to lease the Rav4 from. The $7500 is just magic that Toyota seems to think that the end consumer is better off not knowing.

So, when Toyota says their lease has $3200 cash for you, the leasee, they really mean they are going to give you $3200 of the $7500 they get as a credit, for themselves. Instant $4300 profit for them (not the dealer... the legal owner, Toyota Financial (or whatever it's called)).

Caveat Emptor

On this note, I just learned that one can lease cars thru Ally Bank or supposedly US Bank. Assuming their lease deals are reasonable and they pass along the tax credit to you, that could be an alternative...

 

[waidy]

WARNING WARNING WARNING

Toyota has an interesting handling of the IRS $7500 tax credit. Those of us who bought a LEAF know all too well that when you buy the car, you file tax form 8936 for the $7500 credit.

But if we lease, Nissan will rightly take the credit, and pass it on to in your lease as a $7500 tax credit.

TOYOTA DOES NOT DO THIS !!! Toyota keeps the credit, according to the Toyota regional dude who explained it away with the dealer I was trying to lease the Rav4 from. The $7500 is just magic that Toyota seems to think that the end consumer is better off not knowing.

So, when Toyota says their lease has $3200 cash for you, the leasee, they really mean they are going to give you $3200 of the $7500 they get as a credit, for themselves. Instant $4300 profit for them (not the dealer... the legal owner, Toyota Financial (or whatever it's called)).

Caveat Emptor

On this note, I just learned that one can lease cars thru Ally Bank or supposedly US Bank. Assuming their lease deals are reasonable and they pass along the tax credit to you, that could be an alternative...

What about taking advantage of Toyota's 0.0% 60 months financing? If you finance $30K, your monthly payment would be $500/mo. In this case (buy, not lease), not only you own the EV for life you would also take advantage of the $6000 Toyota incentive + $2500 CA State rebate + $7500 Federal Tax credit. By the way, I don't know the lease term so I don't know how to compare purchase vs. lease.

 

[cdub]

Another $1000 off this month. RAV4EV Loyalty Credit gone.

Get 0.0% APR for 60 months PLUS $6,000 Finance Cash on a new 2012 RAV4EV

0.0% APR for 36 months
0.0% APR for 48 months
0.0% APR for 60 months
PLUS $6,000 Finance Cash
Includes Toyota Care
Offer Ends 2/4/2013

I thought it was 10k off but still it's pretty good.

-C

 

[TonyWilliams]

Another $1000 off this month. RAV4EV Loyalty Credit gone.

Get 0.0% APR for 60 months PLUS $6,000 Finance Cash on a new 2012 RAV4EV

0.0% APR for 36 months
0.0% APR for 48 months
0.0% APR for 60 months
PLUS $6,000 Finance Cash
Includes Toyota Care
Offer Ends 2/4/2013

I thought it was 10k off but still it's pretty good.

-C

Toyota cash was $5000 last month, with $2500 "loyalty" cash.

Now, it's $6000 Toyota cash plus:

$7500 Federal tax credit
$2500 California rebate

$16,000 total.

That would mean that a $50,800 Rav4 (with shipping cost) plus tax is now $34,800 plus tax. There are dealers who will knock $1000 more off, so $33,800 net (again, plus tax which will be based on $50,800 minus $1000 dealer discount).

 

[waidy]

Toyota cash was $5000 last month, with $2500 "loyalty" cash.

Now, it's $6000 Toyota cash plus:

$7500 Federal tax credit
$2500 California rebate

$16,000 total.

That would mean that a $50,800 Rav4 (with shipping cost) plus tax is now $34,800 plus tax. There are dealers who will knock $1000 more off, so $33,800 net (again, plus tax which will be based on $50,800 minus $1000 dealer discount).

Let's assume one pays the tax amount as down payment, and finance $33,800 at 0.0% for N years. What is the monthly lease payment for the same N years? By the way, my dealer told me the first 5 years' maintenance is free (or included in my purchase price and I assume the maintenance is free for leased vehicle.). Also I confirm Tony's $1000 dealer discount is possible. In my case, I got very closed to $1000 dealer discount.

 

[LEAFer]

Toyota cash was $5000 last month, with $2500 "loyalty" cash.

Now, it's $6000 Toyota cash plus:

$7500 Federal tax credit
$2500 California rebate

$16,000 total.

To be clear: the "loyalty" cash is for current OLD Rav4EV owners, correct ? IOW, very few will qualify. Sot it's more like: was $2,500, now $3,500 Toyota cash. For a total of $13,500 reduction ...

( Edit: Damn that "feature" which makes the R-a-v-4-E-V a link :evil: )

 

[TonyWilliams]

Toyota cash was $5000 last month, with $2500 "loyalty" cash.

Now, it's $6000 Toyota cash plus:

$7500 Federal tax credit
$2500 California rebate

$16,000 total.

To be clear: the "loyalty" cash is for current OLD Rav4EV owners, correct ? IOW, very few will qualify. Sot it's more like: was $2,500, now $3,500 Toyota cash. For a total of $13,500 reduction ...

( Edit: Damn that "feature" which makes the R-a-v-4-E-V a link :evil: )

The loyalty cash no longer applies. It's now $6000 from Toyota, for $16,000 total credit/rebate/discount.

I was not quite clear on last month. It should say, "Toyota cash was $5000 last month, PLUS $2500 "loyalty" cash."

 

[TonyWilliams]

I'm just reporting this, since it applies to this thread:

Rav4's Tesla charger is 40 amps. Therefore, the "10kW" charger is:

Power -- Voltage -- at 88% efficiency into the battery
11kW ---- 277 ---- 9.7kW (the maximum voltage that the charger can accept)
10kW ---- 250 ---- 8.8kW (hey, it just happened to be 10kW)
9.6kW --- 240 ---- 8.4kW (typical residential power in North America)
9.2kW --- 230 ---- 8.1kW (typical voltage in the rest of the world)
8.3kW --- 208 ---- 7.3kW (typical voltage at a public charge station in North America)
8.0kW --- 200 ---- 7.0kW (typical voltage in Japan)