TonyWilliams
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BestPal said:I NEVER suggested inhibiting public charging.TonyWilliams said:I don't know that I have EVER suggested that home charging shouldn't happen. What the "old guard" EV folks, like you, seem to think concerning inhibiting public charging as a greater good is absolutely silly. Even more than that, it's just dumb. Pure and simple.
Driving from San Diego to San Francisco in a Leaf or some other 80 mile range EV? What a self-torturing and fascinating masochistic lunacy that is!
Sure, you say
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if I can't do it, I'd never ask YOU to do it,
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I appreciate you dedication to EV (I actually really do, we do need fanatics in the society), but a lot of people on here have lives and we are discussing real world practical i3 with REx that is helping to broaden EV market. For you to dismiss range extenders as a class at this point in the game and asking general public to do what you do... is not exactly realistic and I'm being very nice choosing the words.
First, this isn't going to turn into a trash talk debate. Period.
Second, I'm not a "fanatic" (with all the negative connotations that implies), nor are you going to casually label me as one, or all the other folks who read this forum and drive 100% electric.
Driving and promoting EV's is not fanaticism, but to somebody driving oil cars, I guess it might seem that way. Again, most people like you drive with oil. It's ok, I don't fault you. Leading in any task or endeavor takes sacrifice. So, while you're thinking "fanatic" to drive only EV's, I'm thinking "leading". Not everybody is a leader; I get that, too.
Third, I clearly mentioned several posts up what I thought were logical uses of hybrid oil / electric cars, and where they aren't particularly useful and why. You disagree. Simple, and we move on.
Fourth, I'm not sure why you think I drove to San Francisco recently with a LEAF. I neither said that, nor implied that I did, and in fact I did not use a LEAF "or other 80 mile range car". That 80 mile range car is prevalent, in part, becasue of lobbying for competing strategies of transport like hybrids (oil and electricity) and now hydrogen. Thankfully, the "fanatics" at California based Tesla Motors disagree with 80 mile cars, hybrids and with hydrogen. I suspect somebody who worked there promoting oil cars wouldn't last long!!!
The state has specifically not built out the charging infrastructure because they've been sold on EV's as strictly limited to at home, metro area transport, and hybrids and hydrogen will "take over" from there. I guess somebody is telling them it takes a "fanatic" to drive an EV, except for the narrow situations previously mentioned. Again, Tesla "solved" all that, and will continue to do so in the future with lower and lower cost all-electric cars. Probably Nissan and maybe some others?
So, again, we are on different planets. Your publiclly expressed "hate" (your word, not mine) of public charging is very much in line with "Old Guard" thinking that is prevalent today among those (thankfully) small number of folks. Again, I've specified those thoughts above which include, "charge at home only, drive the oil burner when needed, no public charging", however the more narrow issue at hand on this forum thread is the concept of the oil burner being integral to the EV.
My assertion is that we will "forever" put EV's in the "fanatic" realm for folks like you, and those who think like you, when we promote hybrids over EV's and EV public charging infrastructure in places like Southern California. It's ok to stick with oil, if that's the easy answer for you. Believe me, I get it. You have "complaints" about the charging network. Ok, good for you.
I'm not going to waste any time getting your exact quotes, because it's not directly pertinent to the issue, but you don't strike me as the guy who's promoting publiclly charging. Quite the opposite, actually, so if I've somehow misinterpretated you, it happens. But, the concept of public infrastructure and EV goes hand-in-hand. Unless you are doing something to make that infrastructure better, you're just a bump in the road. If you're clinging to oil in SoCal because EV's are not convenient for you, again, I understand.
Finally, coming to a forum that began with the modern implementation of all-electric transportation and lecturing us on oil burning hybrids is a bit rich, don't you think? Yes, you can have your opinions, and express them here politely, but there seems to be a tinge of "indignant" in your response (sorry, if that's not the case, but it is my interpretation) that we should embrace hybrids here or we're fanatics and lunatics.
That will probably be widely accepted on forums that cater to hybrid cars, like the Volt or BMW i3 with optional hybrid equipment. I do understand this is a thread about BMW i3, so of course it's apprpriate to post these issues here, but please don't force yourself to "chose your words carefully" on this forum. If you feel you can't live without oil, again, I get understand.
I absolutely understand.