planet4ever said:
evchels said:
1. Warranty
b. why only warranty to 70% if projections stated by Nissan were 80%?
I think you should remove that point. Nissan's printed statement (beginning of the Owners Manual) was, "this is only an estimate, and this percentage may vary (and could be significantly lower) depending on individual vehicle and Li-ion battery usage." 70% is a reasonable interpretation of "significantly lower". As several other posters have suggested in this thread, no rational company would have a warranty that forced them to replace half of their units.
I totally disagree with removing this question. I think this is THE NUMBER ONE question to ask. Why would we be afraid to ask this question? You may not want to ask, then you don't have to ask. But if people like me and others in hot states want to ask, who are you to want to muffle others' question?
Maybe you're trying to be a nice guy and play the "reasonable" card, but you're forgetting that buyers in hot climate like AZ chose to buy the LEAF because Nissan duped them into believing that the AZ heat is not going to be a factor in battery degradation at all. Why can I say this?
1. Nissan chose AZ as a Tier1 roll-out state.
2. Nissan made remarks that they have fully tested the battery in AZ and don't think AZ temperature will be a issue. They claimed to be so confident in their battery's heat performance due to their years of experience with their own battery chemistry that they decided that TMS is not needed, not even in AZ.
If owners in cooler climates are afraid to ask the 80% warranty question, then fine, don't ask. But DO NOT speak for the rest of us in hot climate states because we're entitled to ask the 80% warranty question because we're being affected by the temperature issue and this is what the issue is all about, capacity degradation mainly due to high temperature. Owners in hot climate will run into the capacity issue MUCH sooner than the rest, and will have to live with it for MUCH longer than the rest. So it's only fair to ask for the 80% warranty for hot climate owners, so they will be able to have the same useful car in the same useful time span like the rest of the other owners. Is that too much to ask?
Let's face it, Nissan made a BIG MISTAKE thinking their battery is able to handle the AZ heat. So now they need to fix their mistake and make it right to those people in hot climates. Why should early adopters who are affected by the issue pay for Nissan's own mistake?
If they want to have 2 separate warranties, 70% for cooler climate, and 80% for hotter climate 2011 and 2012 LEAFs, I'd be fine with this. But the 70% warranty for hot climate 2011 and 2012 LEAF is simply not acceptable because it just does not solve anything for hot climate owners. We just want to be able to have enough reasonable range on our car during its prime service life, just like the rest of the world. I don't think that's too much to ask.