LEAFfan said:
kubel said:
If I lost 25%, I would no longer make it to work and back on a full charge. Every winter I will be encountering this problem. Arizona folks need to realize they aren't alone. While my problem might not be permanent, the loss of functionality every winter is probably worse than what they will experience in 5 years of desert degradation.
Yes, we know we are not alone. Texas, LV, and Palm Springs will likely join us. You, however, will not. To say your degradation will be worse than ours in 5 years is not only ludicrous, but ignorant. When your temps reach 0 F, your
temporary capacity loss will be about 17-18%. After just one year here we have at least one with over 21% (2 bars) and we know there will be many more throughout the summer months. So just be thankful yours will be temporary.
Actually, if your battery is replaced in the future, whether at Nissan's expense or at yours, your loss will have been temporary, while kubel's seasonal loss will remain permanent.
Everyone considering the purchase of a LEAF should have been aware of the basic realities of the Battery pack, that cold temperatures would adversely effect range, and hotter ambient temperatures would accelerate battery degradation.
IIRC, all last winter we had bitch threads about reduced range from LEAF owners in cold weather regions, now we have multiple bitch threads about how Nissan deceived hot regional climate buyers.
Everyone's LEAF is experiencing battery degradation. It is entirely possible that Cold climate LEAFs will still average lower winter range in future years, as they will also have their (presumably lesser) capacity losses compounded by seasonal low temperature effects.
AFAIK, we do not know if 10% or 90% of Arizona LEAFs have already or will lose a bar during their first two summers, and if that bar loss actually corresponds to a 15% permanent battery capacity, something more, or something less.
Most importantly, we do not know how Nissan will respond, when some Hot-climate Leafs capacity falls below the 70%-80% of the original capacity Nissan has publicly stated that owners should expect after 8 years.
I'd suggest you gather information on your own LEAF, using Gid/SOC meters, Carwings battery capacity reports, or maximum range tests.
If you feel your LEAF has lower capabilities than Nissan promoted, which IMO, would be indicated by a permanent and verified loss of capacity, during moderate temperatures, you should attempt to have Nissan repair or replace your battery, to bring it up to the with capacity range with their public pronouncements.
If I had actually lost two capacity bars in under two years, and also found an over 20% permanent loss in actual capacity and range, I would probably be doing this now, and posting my results here. I hope that those of you who have reported seeing this, can add more detail about these LEAF owners' experiences.
