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a certain percentage of the remaining capacity.. but who knows under these abnormal high temperature conditions?
palmermd said:How should they respond? Well, we have already several reports of owners who love their Leaf so much they have traded in their purchased cars for new leased cars. Nissan could create a "Leaf loyalty program" where anyone who owns a 2011 Leaf can upgrade to the 2013 model with little cost to the owner. The new vehicle would be a lease instead of a purchase. This allows them to not get into the sketchy capacity warranty issues, but satisfies the owners who are worried about their cars.
I've also heard suggested to just convert the current car to a lease, but I think upgrading the car after two years will make the owners happier as is also addresses some of the other features lacking in the 2011 like the cabin heater, seat heaters and 3.3kW charger.
+1. Should guarantee a trade-in value equal to an undegraded Leaf.palmermd said:How should they respond? Well, we have already several reports of owners who love their Leaf so much they have traded in their purchased cars for new leased cars. Nissan could create a "Leaf loyalty program" where anyone who owns a 2011 Leaf can upgrade to the 2013 model with little cost to the owner. The new vehicle would be a lease instead of a purchase. This allows them to not get into the sketchy capacity warranty issues, but satisfies the owners who are worried about their cars.
I've also heard suggested to just convert the current car to a lease, but I think upgrading the car after two years will make the owners happier as is also addresses some of the other features lacking in the 2011 like the cabin heater, seat heaters and 3.3kW charger.
I'll let you know, I am calling them today to see the best way to handle itQueenBee said:djchrispaul said:I put down $2500 but am fine with that because I had got the $2500 from the California rebate, and will transfer that rebate to the new car, I will not of course ask for another rebate, that's wrong!
Just thinking out loud but is there an official process for transferring the rebate? If there isn't I have no idea if they are keeping track but seems like it might be safer to offer them the $2,500 and apply for the rebate on the new car. I actually am surprised there is the 36 month ownership requirement since AFAIC if the goal is to promote EV ownership then they should not care since the rebate will be factored into the used price.
KJD said:Best idea I have heard yet. Sounds like a win for Nissan and the owner of the car.
Is anyone at Nissan listening? PAY ATTENTION people !!!!!
palmermd said:How should they respond? Well, we have already several reports of owners who love their Leaf so much they have traded in their purchased cars for new leased cars. Nissan could create a "Leaf loyalty program" where anyone who owns a 2011 Leaf can upgrade to the 2013 model with little cost to the owner. The new vehicle would be a lease instead of a purchase. This allows them to not get into the sketchy capacity warranty issues, but satisfies the owners who are worried about their cars.
I've also heard suggested to just convert the current car to a lease, but I think upgrading the car after two years will make the owners happier as is also addresses some of the other features lacking in the 2011 like the cabin heater, seat heaters and 3.3kW charger.
"palmermd"]How should they respond? Well, we have already several reports of owners who love their Leaf so much they have traded in their purchased cars for new leased cars. Nissan could create a "Leaf loyalty program" where anyone who owns a 2011 Leaf can upgrade to the 2013 model with little cost to the owner...
LEAFer said:KJD said:Best idea I have heard yet. Sounds like a win for Nissan and the owner of the car.
Is anyone at Nissan listening? PAY ATTENTION people !!!!!
palmermd said:How should they respond? Well, we have already several reports of owners who love their Leaf so much they have traded in their purchased cars for new leased cars. Nissan could create a "Leaf loyalty program" where anyone who owns a 2011 Leaf can upgrade to the 2013 model with little cost to the owner. The new vehicle would be a lease instead of a purchase. This allows them to not get into the sketchy capacity warranty issues, but satisfies the owners who are worried about their cars.
I've also heard suggested to just convert the current car to a lease, but I think upgrading the car after two years will make the owners happier as is also addresses some of the other features lacking in the 2011 like the cabin heater, seat heaters and 3.3kW charger.
Is this true that many other owners like me have traded in and leased a new model, I thought I was maybe just being a little over cautious but as I am in Palm Springs and the heat has definitely affected my range, I did it for my peace of mind. I was a little surprised my 2011 LEAF SL was only worth $23000 to the dealer with only 4600 miles but somehow I came out ok, loyalty was not necessarily involved because I went to a different dealer to lease the new one.
+1 :!: Otherwise the FFE (compromises & all) will get more of my attention.
Here's some evidence of that:edatoakrun said:But, unless capacity anxiety affects LEAF sales (and there is no evidence of this so far)...
...and more evidence:TomT said:A friend in Cavecreek, AZ (outside Phoenix) was considering buying a Leaf... In light of recent developments in that area, I talked here out of it and in to buying a Volt instead... She picked it up last night and loves it.
Stoaty said:I advised a co-worker to buy a Volt also (although as much due to her needs as the heat sensitivity of the Leaf).
palmermd said:How should they respond? Well, we have already several reports of owners who love their Leaf so much they have traded in their purchased cars for new leased cars. Nissan could create a "Leaf loyalty program" where anyone who owns a 2011 Leaf can upgrade to the 2013 model with little cost to the owner. The new vehicle would be a lease instead of a purchase. This allows them to not get into the sketchy capacity warranty issues, but satisfies the owners who are worried about their cars.
I've also heard suggested to just convert the current car to a lease, but I think upgrading the car after two years will make the owners happier as is also addresses some of the other features lacking in the 2011 like the cabin heater, seat heaters and 3.3kW charger.
Unless they have to have the whole battery capacity during the lease to make the Leaf work for them, I am not sure why they would be shy about leasing. Buying is a different story. What was their thought process?mkjayakumar said:Two of my friends here who almost leased, pulled back because of the impact of heat on the capacity they learnt from me and also through this forum. They did several test runs, picked their color, was negotiating deals with the dealers when then pulled back. Rightly so.
djchrispaul said:I'll let you know, I am calling them today to see the best way to handle itQueenBee said:djchrispaul said:I put down $2500 but am fine with that because I had got the $2500 from the California rebate, and will transfer that rebate to the new car, I will not of course ask for another rebate, that's wrong!
Just thinking out loud but is there an official process for transferring the rebate? If there isn't I have no idea if they are keeping track but seems like it might be safer to offer them the $2,500 and apply for the rebate on the new car. I actually am surprised there is the 36 month ownership requirement since AFAIC if the goal is to promote EV ownership then they should not care since the rebate will be factored into the used price.
djchrispaul said:[Ok so the rebate works like this, they will require me to refund a pro rated portion of the original rebate from my 2011 leaf then they will issue a new rebate for the full amount on my new 2012 leased LEAF. Sounds fair to me!
At the urging of Stoaty and Shrink and others on this forum, even though I don't expect much from calling in, I did call in and register my concern with Nissan on this capacity loss issue. The rep who answered my call was Wesley (x457250, same person whom Leafkabob said he spoke to). He didn't give me the response he gave Leafkabob about "Nissan doesn't hear much from users about this". He just asked me where I got my 15% loss figure after the 1 capacity bar loss from, and he said that I should know that Nissan doesn't guarantee only 80% loss after 5 years, that it's only a guideline. I told him yes, I understand that, and I just want to open up a case number to officially lodge my concern with Nissan. So he opened up a case and gave me the case number and that was it.Stoaty said:I urge you to make the report to Nissan also. It probably won't make any difference, but the time required is minimal. It's the only thing you can do, since the dealers often don't know much, and this customer service is set up specifically for the Leaf. I would also encourage you--after you are told that there are so few reports of this problem--to ask what Nissan will be doing about this rare (abnormal) event. Again, I don't expect this to help, but still think it is worth doing. Imagine if Nissan is getting hundreds of these formal complaints (which may very well happen in the future). I think that would get their attention.Volusiano said:It's not detrimental but it's useless like you said. And it's a waste of time. I'd rather wasting my time complaining on this forum. At least there's a better chance that potential buyers read my complaint on this forum compared to Nissan wanting to hear my complaint.
TomT said:The only fly in that ointment is that your original rebate was likely for $5K and the new one would only be for $2.5K... If yours was a later 2011 delivery and you only got $2.5K, then you are golden!
djchrispaul said:[Ok so the rebate works like this, they will require me to refund a pro rated portion of the original rebate from my 2011 leaf then they will issue a new rebate for the full amount on my new 2012 leased LEAF. Sounds fair to me!
It seems that Nissan should be able to guarantee a loss of greater than 80% after 5 years in markets such as Phoenix. I see they have abandoned their claim that you will still have 80% in 5 years.Volusiano said:The rep who answered my call was Wesley (x457250, same person whom Leafkabob said he spoke to). He didn't give me the response he gave Leafkabob about "Nissan doesn't hear much from users about this". He just asked me where I got my 15% loss figure after the 1 capacity bar loss from, and he said that I should know that Nissan doesn't guarantee only 80% loss after 5 years, that it's only a guideline.
This was my question and response from Mark Perry, I am completely confused. Never charged to 100%, never QC, never more 3 power bubbles, never VLBW or turtle, shallow battery cycling, not used if outside temp more than 85F, stored in AC garage during summer. I think this qualify as much less than normal useVolusiano said:and he said that I should know that Nissan doesn't guarantee only 80% loss after 5 years, that it's only a guideline.
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Comment From Amir
What is expected battery capacity after 8 years and 100000 miles?
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Mark Perry: Amir...under normal use 70-80% of capacity left
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