Excellent Article! -- "Myths And Facts About Electric Cars"

[thankyouOB]

My follow-up diary to this article at the Great Orange Satan.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-to-kill-the-electric-car-now-?via=siderecent

Nicely done, Aeolus.

fabulous, and Kos, too.

 

[ENIAC]

My follow-up diary to this article at the Great Orange Satan.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-to-kill-the-electric-car-now-?via=siderecent

Nicely done, Aeolus.

I agree, very well done. Are you able to see how many views your article is receiving?

 

[thankyouOB]

... by the ultimate right-wingers who ran Germany.

Just wanted to comment on this, an interesting thing I came across recently regarding the Nazis being on the socialist side of the political scale, not the right side:

"The “socialist” part of National Socialism might be scoffed at by hard-&-fast Marxists, but the Nazi movement nevertheless had a mass basis. The 1,500 miles of magnificent highways built, schemes for cheap cars and simple workers’ benefits, grandiose plans for rebuilding German cities made Germans burst with pride.
..
The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on others what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for foodstuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

"Hitler, Man of the Year", Time Magazine 1938.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread496273/pg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

quite a source, my friend.
The above-top-secret website is, I would say, as far out as it gets. You register and post anything you want to say without support or documentation. It is a posting board for the tinfoil-hat club. go read stuff posted there.
here is how it IDs itself:

AboveTopSecret.com is the Internet's largest and most popular discussion board community dedicated to the intelligent exchange of ideas and debate on a wide range of "alternative topics" such as conspiracies, UFO's, paranormal, secret societies, political scandals, new world order, terrorism, and dozens of related topics with a diverse mix of users from all over the world.

 

[Smidge204]

on the socialist side of the political scale

"Socialism" is not a political system, it's an economic system. No point in reading anything else you have to say after that...
=Smidge=

 

[Clippy]

quite a source, my friend.

This should make you feel better.

Aside from being a flagrant Godwin's Law violation it's entirely off-topic.

However, about the only diff between Joe and Adolph was that Joe started mass killing people for no reason other than the cut of their jib much earlier than Adolph and when he got up to speed Adolph was better at it.

It's that easy willingness to deny the ultimate right to a person that many people are frightened of.

Speaking as a former environmentalist and vegan, when the conversations turned to how we were better and how we were going to not persuade, but pass laws enforcing our views, I.was.outta.there.

I've said once here, I'll say it again. EV's aren't right for everyone. They may not be right at all (I'm leaning towards a BEVx a la BMW's proposed i3). We are trying something else. You (meaning the Leftists in the crowd) should be delighted that a right-wing Neanderthal such as I has seen the wisdom of your POV. I mean really, to convince someone who thinks that Rush Limbaugh is a leftist corporate shill, that is quite an accomplishment.

There's very little difference between the "factoid" rantings of Fox News and the article in question. Pie Charts? Really? Hell, you convinced me!

Commenting on the commentary, now that's fun.

Now if you'll excuse me, my hair shirt's back from the cleaners and I have this rock to push up a hill.

 

[thankyouOB]

However, about the only diff between Joe and Adolph was that Joe started mass killing people for no reason other than the cut of their jib much earlier than Adolph and when he got up to speed Adolph was better at it.

The Bloodlands, by Yale historian Timothy Snyder pretty much covers that territory.

Timothy Snyder focuses on the horrific mortality among civilians in the vast area between Germany and Russia: Ukrainian peasants in the collectivisation and created famines of 1929-33, Jews between 1941 and 1945, Poles between 1939 and 1945, and Belarusians from Stalin's 'Great Terror' in 1937 to the retreat of the Germans in 1944. The six million Jews annihilated by the Holocaust is the most familiar figure, followed by the 22,000 Polish officers shot by Stalin, and between three and seven million Ukrainians starved to death by him. What fewer readers will be aware of are the sufferings of Belarusians: of nine million inhabitants, one and a half million were murdered and another three million deported (many to their deaths) - figures emulated in our times only by Pol Pot.

 

[ENIAC]

The sources of electricity (DoE) in that article were not dated, so I'm wondering how current the data are. For example, they show coal as a source of electrical production nationwide at 49.61%, whereas the data I found from 2009 shows coal at 44.9% nationwide. I've read that the grid has been getting even cleaner each year, another major benefit of driving electric cars. Coal may be down to 42% or so by now.

 

[etracing]

Interesting article,

Thanks for posting.

 

[GRA]

The sources of electricity (DoE) in that article were not dated, so I'm wondering how current the data are. For example, they show coal as a source of electrical production nationwide at 49.61%, whereas the data I found from 2009 shows coal at 44.9% nationwide. I've read that the grid has been getting even cleaner each year, another major benefit of driving electric cars. Coal may be down to 42% or so by now.

42.8% last year, according to an article I read somewhere recently (WSJ? FT?).[Edit] Found it:

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201202060944DOWJONESENRGYSVC000752-1&params=timestamp||02/06/2012%209:44%20AM%20ET||headline||HEARD%20ON%20THE%20STREET%3A%20Coal%20Face%20Cracks%20Under%20Cheap%20Gas||docSource||Dow%20Jones%20and%20Company%2C%20Inc.||provider||ACQUIREMEDIA&ticker=ANR:US" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here's another article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-17/coal-turns-ugly-as-tumbling-gas-cuts-demand-to-20-year-low-energy-markets.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[ENIAC]

The sources of electricity (DoE) in that article were not dated, so I'm wondering how current the data are. For example, they show coal as a source of electrical production nationwide at 49.61%, whereas the data I found from 2009 shows coal at 44.9% nationwide. I've read that the grid has been getting even cleaner each year, another major benefit of driving electric cars. Coal may be down to 42% or so by now.

42.8% last year, according to an article I read somewhere recently (WSJ? FT?).[Edit] Found it:

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/news/article.asp?docKey=600-201202060944DOWJONESENRGYSVC000752-1&params=timestamp||02/06/2012%209:44%20AM%20ET||headline||HEARD%20ON%20THE%20STREET%3A%20Coal%20Face%20Cracks%20Under%20Cheap%20Gas||docSource||Dow%20Jones%20and%20Company%2C%20Inc.||provider||ACQUIREMEDIA&ticker=ANR:US" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here's another article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-17/coal-turns-ugly-as-tumbling-gas-cuts-demand-to-20-year-low-energy-markets.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nice find Guy. Two very interesting articles. I hadn't realized we were exporting so much coal.

 

[ritikatootie]

I found this is interesting. I and a couple of friends posted pointers to the "Myths And Facts About Electric Cars" article on several conservative blogs and also on a few appropriate YouTube channels. (You can't post a URL on YouTube, so we told them how to locate the article through search). As of today all of our posts, except for one, have been removed. This article seems to have struck a nerve!