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adric22

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I know it isn't quite a "vehicle" but I figured this was a decent place to discuss it.

I have a black & decker lawn mower which is a 24V rechargeable. I've had it for over 10 years and replaced the lead-acid battery pack 3 times. Other than the batteries, everything is still factory original, even the blade. Well, the thing is starting to show its age, with some of the plastic starting to crack in places, screws getting loose, etc. And it is getting due for another battery replacement. So I was thinking sometime before Spring arrives, to find and buy a new electric lawn mower. I'd really like to have one that has a user removable battery. I mean, sure, the one I have has a removable battery but you have to disassemble the mower to get to it. I'd like one that is designed where the battery can be removed easily during mowing, so if you run out of juice you could just quickly swap in a new battery much like people do with an electric drill. I've seen these occasionally at "green" events and whatnot, but never actually seen one in a store where I could walk in and buy one. Anyone know who makes these, how good they are, and where I can get one?
 
I have one of the 19" B&D self-propelled electrics which I got last year at the yearly CARB event. Basically it was a little less than half price with no tax. It has a 36 volt AGM removable battery pack and performs quite well. My yard is about 1/3 acre and hilly, and it handles it very easily on one charge.

adric22 said:
I have a black & decker lawn mower which is a 24V rechargeable. I've had it for over 10 years and replaced the lead-acid battery pack 3 times.
 
TomT said:
I have one of the 24" B&D self-propelled electrics which I got last year at the yearly CARB event. Basically it was a little less than half price with no tax. It has a 36 volt AGM removable battery pack and performs quite well. My yard is about 1/3 acre and hilly, and it handles it very easily on one charge.
adric22 said:
I have a black & decker lawn mower which is a 24V rechargeable. I've had it for over 10 years and replaced the lead-acid battery pack 3 times.
This one?:
http://www.blackanddecker.com/outdoor/SPCM1936.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; "Removable 36V battery"
SPCM1936_1.jpg


1:38 also indicates you can take them out to charge.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY8yvh_xHC0[/youtube]

User review:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5MOyjqj_s[/youtube]
 
Since I only paid about $170 for the mower, if and when it becomes time to replace the battery, I'll just get a whole new unit. Also, AGM is a perfectly acceptable technology for this application... The "latest and greatest" is not always the best for a given application.

scottf200 said:
One review stated:

Also, the lead-acid battery is "old" technology and should be replaced by a lithium-ion battery. And for $214 to replace the battery.
 
I also have one of these 36V B&D electric mowers, good points are that its designed to be left plugged in to the charger. Some alternatives want you to come back and unplug it once its charged. The self powered drive works well and is independent of the cutting blade. They are heavy, so you need the drive.
 
adric22 said:
I have a black & decker lawn mower which is a 24V rechargeable. I've had it for over 10 years ...

I have the same 10 years old 24VDC mower. I replaced the batteries about 4 years ago with 20Ah batteries from interstate batteries, (the old ones were 12Ah). I had to make room for the bigger batteries, I can take picture of the installation if anyone is interested. A bit heavier but I did not have any more "range anxiety" after that :lol: .
 
camasleaf said:
adric22 said:
I have a black & decker lawn mower which is a 24V rechargeable. I've had it for over 10 years ...
I have the same 10 years old 24VDC mower. I replaced the batteries about 4 years ago with 20Ah batteries from interstate batteries, (the old ones were 12Ah). I had to make room for the bigger batteries, I can take picture of the installation if anyone is interested. A bit heavier but I did not have any more "range anxiety" after that :lol: .
http://www.homedepot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; goto lawnmowers and limit the search to electric. Oddly the Ryobi isn't in the results, but here's the link to that.

Ryobi has a RY14110 Ryobi 48 Volt, 10 Ah (480 Wh) Removable Lead Acid Battery Self-Propelled Mower $379
4 step LED state of charge indicator (25%/step)
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/BuildLinkToHomeDepot?linktype=keyword&id=RY14110" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Manual: http://www.ryobitools.com/product_manual/file_url/535/RY14110_860_trilingual.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Home depot also has a lithium one - Recharge Mower 15 in. Lithium Cordless Electric Walk-Behind Mower $489.00
Model # PMLI-14
Internet # 202624250

All together, Home Depot has 16 cordless (rechargeable battery) electric mowers!!! When I bought my Black and Decker 24V cordless, which is still on the original battery (smaller lawn, battery well cared for), it was the only or only one of two models available! A lot has changed over the last two years! You can even get a Ryobi Lithium battery chain saw! So all my garden tools are battery rechargeable. NO gas in the garage. I don't even own a gas can. Garage smells really clean without the gas and oil smells.

http://www.lowes.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; seems to have a poor selection, only offering the 36 volt Black Decker.

There's also the Neuton cordless mowers and lawn tools http://www.neutonpower.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you're concerned about pollution, you should look into replacing as many of your gas powered lawn tools with electric. If you have gardners, see if you can work with them to use some or all electric tools. You may be able to help the gardners by having them use your electric tools that are alaredy charged and ready for them when they arrive, providing outside GFCI outlets for corded tools, paying a little more for them to use electric tools - worth it if you're home while they work - my neighbor's gardners come in with their gas tools and it's so loud, even with double pane windows, that it's difficult to work or hold a phone conversation, especially when they come close to the part of the house you're in. If the neighbor was playing music that loud, you could file a noise complaint, but for some reason, lawn tools are allowed to be that noisy...

It's rather amazing to realize that mowing your lawn every other week for one hour produces more pollution than a 20 mile round trip commute every weekday for two weeks. And that's using some of the lower estimates for lawn pollution. Replacing your lawn mower is a lot cheaper than buying an EV, but in terms of pollution other than CO2, it can have a similar reduction in pollution! Of course, lawnmowers use less gas than two weeks of commuting and produce less CO2, but the small 2 and 4 stroke engines, particularly ones using an oil mix in the gasoline are extremely dirty and polluting relative to car with modern emissions controls.

You'll notice the numbers are all over the place, but even the lowest pollution numbers for a lawn mower show how incredibly dirty they are compared to cars. The variations come form factors like which criteria pollutant you are comparing or how you weight each pollutant to come up with a single number, whether the engine is 2 or 4 stroke, if the gas has oil mixed in as required for lubrication of some small engines, and how old the lawn mower is as some recent lawn mowers are much better but still very dirty compared to a car.

Environmental impactA 2001 study showed that some mowers produce the same amount of pollution (emissions other than carbon dioxide) in one hour as driving a 1992 model vehicle for 650 miles (1,050 km).[18] Another estimate puts the amount of pollution from a lawn mower at four times the amount from a car, per hour.[19] Beginning in 2011, the United States Environmental Protection Agency has set standards for lawn equipment emissions and expects a reduction of at least 35 percent.[20]

Mowers also create significant noise pollution,[21][22] and could cause hearing loss if used without hearing protection.[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawn_mower" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Today’s gas-powered lawn mower emits as much pollution in one hour as driving a newer car 140 miles. An older mower may belch four times as much pollution. But there are air-friendly alternatives.

http://www.pscleanair.org/actions/yardcare/mowing.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lawn mowing contributes greatly to the ozone problem. Engines are inefficient at reducing pollution. In fact, using a gasoline-powered lawn mower for one hour generates the same amount of air pollution as driving a car for 40 hours. Yes, 40 hours not 40 miles! A gasoline powered weed eater operated for 1 hour is even worse as it generates pollution equivalent to driving a car for 60 hours.

http://www.johnson.ksu.edu/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=527" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Operating a typical gasoline-powered lawn mower for one hour produces the same amount of smog-forming hydrocarbons as driving an average care almost 200 miles under typical driving conditions. http://www.epa.gov/oaqps001/community/details/yardequip_addl_info.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Clearly you must have a much higher caliber of gardeners there than we get here in L.A... I'm lucky if I can find any that are even literate, let alone competent...

ElectricVehicle said:
If you have gardners, see if you can work with them to use some or all electric tools. You may be able to help the gardners by having them use your electric tools that are alaredy charged and ready for them when they arrive, providing outside GFCI outlets for corded tools, paying a little more for them to use electric tools - worth it if you're home while they work.
 
I just replaced my gas trimmer and blower with rechargeables from a company called WORX. I also intend on changing my one mower with an electric. They also make mowers and they look and sound great. They have 2 or 3 models available, not cheap though......
 
ElectricVehicle said:
There's also the Neuton cordless mowers and lawn tools http://www.neutonpower.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have the Neuton Ce5.3 (15") from the CARB swap two years ago. Lead Acid removable battery. At least as heavy as the 21" mower it replaced. Clogs incessantly if the lawn is the least bit damp. Safety interlock handle is unnecessarily difficult. Very small yard so I persist. I can say I don’t recommend it.
 
ElectricVehicle said:
If you're concerned about pollution, you should look into replacing as many of your gas powered lawn tools with electric.

Thanks for posting this.

One of my pet peeves.
 
TomT said:
Clearly you must have a much higher caliber of gardeners there than we get here in L.A... I'm lucky if I can find any that are even literate, let alone competent...
ElectricVehicle said:
If you have gardeners, see if you can work with them to use some or all electric tools. You may be able to help the gardeners by having them use your electric tools that are already charged and ready for them when they arrive, providing outside GFCI outlets for corded tools, paying a little more for them to use electric tools - worth it if you're home while they work.
That's why we need to start adding it to the interview questions when selecting a gardener. There's a few gardeners that do this in CA, but it's maybe dozens of gardeners, not thousands. That's why I gave the suggestions of how to work with your gardener, providing outlets, letting them use your electric tools, etc. And then you pay them a little more, say 10-30% for working with you and if the electric tools require them to work a little longer, to cover that time. Or better yet find electric tools that work as fast as the gas tools. Also regularity helps - the electrics do well for landscape maintenance every week or two, but if you have a badly overgrown area that's been left for a year, you may need a little gas tool assistance, hopefully a cleaner, modern 4 stroke that pollutes less.

They make battery powered blowers which are great for tiny areas - a small deck or patio, and with removable batteries you can extend the run time by having multiple batteries charges and then swapping them. I use the Ryobi one regularly wth the large 18V lithium pack. If I hypermile (hyperblow?) it, I can do the blowing for front and back yards on 2 battery packs, but it's really better to get the corded for that much work. For any size blowing, you need a corded electric blower, it works great, with a blower you don't have to worry about running over or cutting the cord and you still want ear protection but it's a good bit quieter than gas. The electric mower is so quiet, I've mowed my lawn at 10pm once or twice and my immediate neighbors can't even hear it in their houses. The electric blower is a daytime tool, but it's much quieter than the day before garbage day swarm of gas tools in the neighborhood.

I have had gardeners use my electric tools, and that works with a little training on the electrics. A gardener owning their own electric tools could use removable batteries so they can do mulitple jobs in a day by starting the day with extra charged batteries and swapping them out as they need to for the run time to complete mutliple jobs in a day. Where feasible, a gardener would probably find it easiest to use corded tools and plug them in to GFCI outlets on the exterior of the house or client's building.

Green gardeners are catching on a bit. 10 years ago you rarely, if ever heard the term.

This firm uses all electric or manual push mowers:
Are you using a gardening service that uses gas powered mowers? Did you know that a gas powered lawn mower running for one hour creates as much pollution as driving 100 miles? At Go Green we use push and electric mowers only. We use only electric blowers and rakes and brooms.
go green gardeners 6201 Orion Ave Van Nuys Ca. 91411 818-755-gogreen (4647)
http://gogreengardeners.com/id2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
These programs seem to cover landscape, irrigation, Integrated Pest Management (IPM), pesticide avoidance, herbicide avoidance, and runoff practices for green gardeners, they don't mention the use of low pollution / electric tools... yet.... They are green gardening training courses and listings of gardeners. Starting with a green gardener might be easier to get them to really step up and start using some or all electric tools. We can also contact these trainng / certification / listing programs and ask that they incorporate low / zero emissions tools into the green gardener programs.
L.A. graduates green gardeners http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/02/la-graduates-first-crop-of-green-gardeners.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Green Gardener Program for Santa Barbara County http://www.greengardener.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Monterey Bay Green Gardener http://www.green-gardener.org/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Northern CA Regional Water Authority Qualified Green Gardener http://www.bewatersmart.info/water-smart-gardening/green-gardener/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Santa Clara Valley Green Gardeners http://www.mywatershedwatch.org/greengardener.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
KeiJidosha said:
ElectricVehicle said:
There's also the Neuton cordless mowers and lawn tools http://www.neutonpower.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I have the Neuton Ce5.3 (15") from the CARB swap two years ago. Lead Acid removable battery. At least as heavy as the 21" mower it replaced. Clogs incessantly if the lawn is the least bit damp. Safety interlock handle is unnecessarily difficult. Very small yard so I persist. I can say I don’t recommend it.
Thanks for the Neuton comments. I've bever used them So I didn't know if they were any good.

I can say for my Black and Decker on a small yard (8000 sq ft lot) that it's been working great for years. There are a few things you don't do or use multiple mowing sessions / charges for - likeing letting the grass grow really long 5+ inches and then mow it while it's very wet. That will bog down many mowers.
walter said:
I just replaced my gas trimmer and blower with rechargeables from a company called WORX. I also intend on changing my one mower with an electric. They also make mowers and they look and sound great. They have 2 or 3 models available, not cheap though......
The Worx looks interesting. The reviews on Amazon.com for Worx are helpful. Just search for Worx on Amazon.[url]

Ran across this also http://www.greengardentools.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; though I see some of the Lithium tools have less capacity than the Ryobi Lithium Ion. The Ryobi's are my current pick. Though the battery quality with Rypbi can vary, check the batteries when you buy them and exchange any defecitve ones immediately. When you get good battery, it performs quite well.
Clippy said:
Thanks! :) I am quite surprised at how cost effective using lower emissions garden tools are when we're dealing with air quality and how little attention they receive. Lower pollution and electric tools will lead to less noise pollution also. Always irks me to see all the big gas mowers on display outside OSH (Orchard Supply Hardware) and not a single electric. On that basis, OSH marketing encourages pollution, even if the gassers are the best sellers, they could still do a little civic responsibility and showcase some of the electrics.

We should come upo with ways for the city and state to effectively incentivize the lower emissions garden tools. Trying to think of what a good garden tool incentive would be, similar to the HOV sticker. For a gardener, the cost of tool is a secondary consideration. Gardeners are going to be concerned with how fast they can do the job, how much they get paid and how many clients they can get. A start could be requiring electric or low emissions tools for the gardeners that maintain city property. Need some incentives for private gardeners, homeowners, etc. Things to think about as we make the world better!
 
We switched to all electric tools when we moved into our new (LEED) house. Like an EV, one needs to change their habits. Grass is almost always wet in the spring in Oregon and the electric stalls often if I let the grass grow longer than 4in. If I cut when it's short and am conservative with the self-drive I can finish in one charge in the Spring, but it takes planning. By late May things dry out and I can work out as if I have a ICE mower. Polluting less is great, but the biggest benefit is noise reduction. The mower is so quiet I have answered phone calls while mowing!

Commercial electric gardening just doesn't look viable. I asked my neighbor's landscaper if he would consider switching to electric and he gave a definite no, for good reason. There are no electric riding mowers, and no electric brush/field mowers. He would need to charge packs at each house he visits and would lose time because of the less powerful mowers and trimmers. Time is money for contractors and he doesn't believe he can compete, even in liberal Portland, if he has to charge more for his services.

I heard the same issues building my house. Contractors had no idea how to build things the way I wanted and would either refuse to bid or charge 15-25% more b/c they had retrain their workers to deal with the LEED rules (separate & weigh recycling & garbage, use FSC wood, low VOC stains & paints, etc). More contractors are using enviro friendly techniques now b/c customers have should willingness to pay extra, but there is still a long way to go before they can compete with spec house builders.
 
The upgraded B&D 10 year old mower:

Battery 26AH AGM:
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3073/img7043h.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Installation:
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8033/img7040p.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5313/img7042m.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1143/img7041ug.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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If I remember correctly:
No additional wire used
Needed to cut some of the base, but very little.
Reused/cut the polystyrene
Two new screws and reused the tie down for securing the batteries.
Worked fine for the last 4 years and the batteries were about $40 each.
 
padamson1 said:
We switched to all electric tools when we moved into our new (LEED) house. Like an EV, one needs to change their habits. Grass is almost always wet in the spring in Oregon and the electric stalls often if I let the grass grow longer than 4in. If I cut when it's short and am conservative with the self-drive I can finish in one charge in the Spring, but it takes planning. By late May things dry out and I can work out as if I have a ICE mower. Polluting less is great, but the biggest benefit is noise reduction. The mower is so quiet I have answered phone calls while mowing!

Commercial electric gardening just doesn't look viable. I asked my neighbor's landscaper if he would consider switching to electric and he gave a definite no, for good reason. There are no electric riding mowers, and no electric brush/field mowers. He would need to charge packs at each house he visits and would lose time because of the less powerful mowers and trimmers. Time is money for contractors and he doesn't believe he can compete, even in liberal Portland, if he has to charge more for his services.

I heard the same issues building my house. Contractors had no idea how to build things the way I wanted and would either refuse to bid or charge 15-25% more b/c they had retrain their workers to deal with the LEED rules (separate & weigh recycling & garbage, use FSC wood, low VOC stains & paints, etc). More contractors are using enviro friendly techniques now b/c customers have should willingness to pay extra, but there is still a long way to go before they can compete with spec house builders.
LEED house, very nice. I'm in a 70's tract home, so it needs some work to reduce it's footprint! Nice that it had double pane windows when I moved in. I put in a very efficient AC, the heater efficient but not the ultimate since condensing flue gases of the most effiicient models require different exhausts / chimney duct work.

Time is money for gardners, but between switching packs and corded electric tools, they can practically use electric on small to medium size jobs. Particularly since they can charge a modest premium for that more valuable service. They can certainly replace their older, gross polluting gas tools with some of the best ones on the market today which are much less polluting - 4 stroke, though I recall hearing Honda had done a good job making a cleaner 2 stroke. The gas garden tools are always more polluting than the electric, but I'm sure most current gardeners can do much better than they are doing today by getting cleaner gas tools, using some electric tools (corded and/or swapping packs) or using all electric tools.

I've done it - at one point I had a gardener who was doing all the gardening using my electric tools and I paid him for the time he needed to do the job which was close to the same time as gas tools for my small lawn.

There is a lot of work to do in training and education to clean up the gardening act. There should be more effective government involvement in encouraging this to happen and showing how important it is. But there are powerful political forces, like Briggs and Stratton that are preventing progress.
 
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