wwhitney
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Breathe easier--literally.Durandal said:The guy's response, to whom I've never met before, quips, "What will you do when all the coal plants get shut down?"
Cheers, Wayne
Breathe easier--literally.Durandal said:The guy's response, to whom I've never met before, quips, "What will you do when all the coal plants get shut down?"
wwhitney said:Breathe easier--literally.Durandal said:The guy's response, to whom I've never met before, quips, "What will you do when all the coal plants get shut down?"
Cheers, Wayne
powersurge said:Also, coal is much more desirable to the use of petroleum, which will run out in the near future. When the oil runs out, there will be worldwide problems, including famine, millions of deaths, war over the remaining oil, and we will need to revert to back to the steam engine and horses.
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PS - anyone familiar with the concept of "Peak Oil" and the writings of M. King Hubbert? We could spend years discussing this topic....
Yes, I've seen that sort of attitude, and as a Christian, it really bothers me. One would have to overlook the whole concept of Biblical stewardship to assume that the way we treat the earth has no consequences. It is our job as humans to care for the amazingly special planet that we have been given.LeftieBiker said:Unless, of course, one is a climate denier. In that case Jesus will likely fix it, one way or another.
RegGuheert said:Perhaps it seems that way to you, but you cannot sense a temperature difference of only 0.4 degrees Celsius above the average:DaveinOlyWA said:(as it is, Fall was eliminated by Global Warming this year it seems...)
The unseasonably-warm temperatures in NA this fall are due to two factors: 1) The polar vortex is pushing incredibly cold weather to Russia, making it warmer here and 2) we just had one of the largest El Ninos on record. Those are two things we can feel.
abasile said:Yes, I've seen that sort of attitude, and as a Christian, it really bothers me. One would have to overlook the whole concept of Biblical stewardship to assume that the way we treat the earth has no consequences. It is our job as humans to care for the amazingly special planet that we have been given.LeftieBiker said:Unless, of course, one is a climate denier. In that case Jesus will likely fix it, one way or another.
DaveinOlyWA said:RegGuheert said:Perhaps it seems that way to you, but you cannot sense a temperature difference of ...
The unseasonably-warm temperatures in NA this fall are due to two factors: 1) The polar vortex is pushing incredibly cold weather to Russia, making it warmer here and 2) we just had one of the largest El Ninos on record. Those are two things we can feel.
I only mirror a common misconception for the region buoyed by 4 straight days smashing record high temps for the region. I only hope Summer weather is this nice...
What so many seem to forget is that forgiveness does not necessarily erase the Earthly consequences of bad choices. I don't want future generations to have to inherit a mess.DaveinOlyWA said:this is only one example of "surrender to God and all is forgiven" there are many. granted the Church has changed and lessened its "fire and brimstone" approach but its not like they had a choice now did they?abasile said:Yes, I've seen that sort of attitude, and as a Christian, it really bothers me. One would have to overlook the whole concept of Biblical stewardship to assume that the way we treat the earth has no consequences. It is our job as humans to care for the amazingly special planet that we have been given.LeftieBiker said:Unless, of course, one is a climate denier. In that case Jesus will likely fix it, one way or another.
What is your fear related to the loss of global sea ice? Are humans or any other species impacted by such a change? Is there ANY evidence that this is related to the activity of man?WetEV said:The Arctic is off the charts hot, sea ice in both Arctic and Antarctic waters is at a record low for the date. Global sea ice is "About 6.9 standard deviations below the 1981-2010 mean."
That sounds like a pleasant improvement in conditions for any creature unfortunate enough to live in the arctic. Meanwhile, many MILLIONS of people in Russia are suffering from the extreme cold and snow there.WetEV said:Yes incredibly cold weather in Russia, but the Arctic as a whole is about 6C/10F over the average.
Now that is some amusing speculation considering that Antarctica is GAINING more ice than it is shedding:WetEV said:This brings up an amusing speculation. Suppose this not only continues, but gets worse. The Antarctic keeps shedding sea ice, then sheds a big hunk or two of ice shelf, and some of the ice sheets starts falling into the ocean.
At the same time, Greenland is gaining ice at a record pace this year (and last year was very average):Zwally said:Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite (ICESat) data (2003–08) show mass gains from snow accumulation exceeded discharge losses by 82 ± 25 Gt a–1, reducing global sea-level rise by 0.23 mm a–1. European Remote-sensing Satellite (ERS) data (1992–2001) give a similar gain of 112 ± 61 Gt a–1.
Hahahahahaha!!WetEV said:The Arctic maintains a low pressure, off the charts warm pattern all winter, melts fast in spring and is ice free next summer. Weather patterns worldwide are wonky and wild.
When I first heard Musk make that claim, I wondered if anyone would actually believe it...trucklover32 said:...According to Elon Musk himself, live on stage, the end of Federal EV subsidies will actually BENEFIT Tesla. While I found this surprising, his explanation actually makes perfect sense...
https://youtu.be/XT4BxI18B2I
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/tesla-ceo-becomes-target-after-trump-election/article/2607770
Tesla CEO becomes target after Trump election
A conservative group is targeting Elon Musk, the founder and CEO of luxury electric carmaker Tesla, by launching a lobbying campaign aimed at divesting Musk's clean energy "empire" of all federal subsidies.
The group Citizens for the Republic, a conservative grassroots organization that espouses the ideals of former President Ronald Reagan, accuses Musk's companies, including SolarCity, Tesla, and SpaceX, of receiving well over $5 billion in taxpayer support.
The grouped launched the campaign a few days before Tesla shareholders on Thursday decided to merge the carmaker with the solar panel firm SolarCity. Musk said the deal would make Tesla dealers a one-stop shop for low-emission transportation and clean electric power and battery storage...
they will specifically target the Investment Tax Credit for solar panels that Congress extended last December for five years...
RegGuheert said:What is your fear related to the loss of global sea ice?WetEV said:The Arctic is off the charts hot, sea ice in both Arctic and Antarctic waters is at a record low for the date. Global sea ice is "About 6.9 standard deviations below the 1981-2010 mean."
RegGuheert said:Are humans or any other species impacted by such a change?
RegGuheert said:Is there ANY evidence that this is related to the activity of man?
WetEV said:This brings up an amusing speculation. Suppose this not only continues, but gets worse. The Antarctic keeps shedding sea ice, then sheds a big hunk or two of ice shelf, and some of the ice sheets starts falling into the ocean. The Arctic maintains a low pressure, off the charts warm pattern all winter, melts fast in spring and is ice free next summer. Weather patterns worldwide are wonky and wild.
RegGuheert said:Hahahahahaha!!
While I don't go as far as to agree that ending federal EV subsidies would benefit Tesla, I don't think this would be too detrimental to Tesla in the long run, either. The $7500 tax credit is going to get phased out for Tesla anyway, so ending it now would avoid the situation where other EV manufacturers' cars get the credit and Tesla vehicles don't.edatoakrun said:When I first heard Musk make that claim, I wondered if anyone would actually believe it...trucklover32 said:...According to Elon Musk himself, live on stage, the end of Federal EV subsidies will actually BENEFIT Tesla. While I found this surprising, his explanation actually makes perfect sense...
This would certainly put a drag on the solar business, but wouldn't be fatal thanks to rapid reductions in costs. PV panels are getting a lot cheaper. Changes to state/regional net metering policies can be much more damaging, as we witnessed in Nevada when the PUC there basically killed the residential solar market. While the Powerwall and other storage systems offer a way around this, at additional cost of course, what happens at the state level seems more important for now.edatoakrun said:Eliminating the much-more-expensive renewable energy tax credit, rather than the EV TC, seems to be their priority, at the moment
Other manufactures are far less dependent than TSLA is on the TC for the simple reason that the vast majority of their vehicle sales do not qualify.abasile said:...While I don't go as far as to agree that ending federal EV subsidies would benefit Tesla, I don't think this would be too detrimental to Tesla in the long run, either. The $7500 tax credit is going to get phased out for Tesla anyway, so ending it now would avoid the situation where other EV manufacturers' cars get the credit and Tesla vehicles don't...
While I don't go as far as to agree that ending federal EV subsidies would benefit Tesla, I don't think this would be too detrimental to Tesla in the long run, either. The $7500 tax credit is going to get phased out for Tesla anyway, so ending it now would avoid the situation where other EV manufacturers' cars get the credit and Tesla vehicles don't.abasile said:edatoakrun said:When I first heard Musk make that claim, I wondered if anyone would actually believe it...trucklover32 said:...According to Elon Musk himself, live on stage, the end of Federal EV subsidies will actually BENEFIT Tesla. While I found this surprising, his explanation actually makes perfect sense...
I don't know why Musk chose to misrepresent the facts in his statements, as you have summarized them.trucklover32 said:...Elon Musk wasn't just referring to the $7500 tax credit. He was MOSTLY referring to the ZEV credits that are sold by Tesla. If you haven't heard of that, its discussed at the link below. Basically Tesla has no use for ZEV credits so it sells them.....but for 50 cents on the dollar. Other car companies like Ford and GM use the ZEV credits to offset their other vehicles, such as SUVs. They get 100% of the ZEV credit because...they don't see them to other car companies...
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19907&start=40="edatoakrun"
Good story on CARB's dysfunctional ZEV credit market, with interesting report of current market values of credits...
TSLA financials report almost $600 Million in credit sales over the last three years, but don't show number of credits per vehicle, or revenue per credit...
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