Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

[DougWantsALeaf]

Sadly, 4800 Leafs in a quarter is now a solid number for Nissan.

 

[goldbrick]

They must all be in the front range of Colorado. I usually see 10-20 every day in my 30 minutes of driving. It's amazing how many there are here.

 

[GRA]

Is the EUV on sale yet? I'm seeing lots more Bolts, but haven't seen or at least identified an EUV yet.

 

[cwerdna]

Is the EUV on sale yet? I'm seeing lots more Bolts, but haven't seen or at least identified an EUV yet.

Yes. They've arrived at dealers and this guy, for example, seems to have gotten one: https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/2022-bolt-euv-on-lot-in-md-for-5-000-over-msrp.38865/#post-616535.

 

[GRA]

Is the EUV on sale yet? I'm seeing lots more Bolts, but haven't seen or at least identified an EUV yet.

Yes. They've arrived at dealers and this guy, for example, seems to have gotten one: https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/2022-bolt-euv-on-lot-in-md-for-5-000-over-msrp.38865/#post-616535.

Thx. I'll be scrutinising "Bolts" more carefully from now on, until I ID an EUV.

 

[webeleafowners]

Is the EUV on sale yet? I'm seeing lots more Bolts, but haven't seen or at least identified an EUV yet.

Yes. They've arrived at dealers and this guy, for example, seems to have gotten one: https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/2022-bolt-euv-on-lot-in-md-for-5-000-over-msrp.38865/#post-616535.

Thx. I'll be scrutinising "Bolts" more carefully from now on, until I ID an EUV.

There are a bunch in BC. Having said that there are still half a dozen brand new 2019’s sitting on lots here. Full price. No negotiations. Essentially one dealer group trying to make a point that EV’s don’t sell. Weird.

 

[WetEV]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/07/the-chevy-bolt-ev-belonging-to-vermont-lawmaker-who-backed-industry-catches-fire.html

Makes you want a passively cooled battery perhaps?

Zero LEAF battery fires.

 

[cwerdna]

On the above incident, there's at least one thread on chevybolt.org where folks are trying to determine if it was a recalled Bolt with the final remedy installed. And, of course, whether it was possibly caused by the battery or something else.

Hope we know some answers in the next few months.

 

[kuroneko]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/07/the-chevy-bolt-ev-belonging-to-vermont-lawmaker-who-backed-industry-catches-fire.html

Makes you want a passively cooled battery perhaps?

Zero LEAF battery fires.

My co-worker's Bolt just did this last week! His car was a scorched metal frame surrounded by a pool of melted car and his house was nearly destroyed. I had been wondering the how/why as he hasn't been into work (obviously), and what the danger might be for my car. I was very confused as to what could have caused the fire since I knew he already had a Leaf before. This wasn't his first electric car so he knew all safety precautions. Now I know it was probably a defective battery pack. I feel a bit better but it really sucks that this happened.

 

[DougWantsALeaf]

Between all of the Bolt, Kona, and Tesla pack explosions, I am feeling more and more comfortable with my passively cooled pack.

https://electrek.co/2021/07/08/chevy-bolt-ev-catches-on-fire-after-receiving-both-of-gm-software-fixes/?fbclid=IwAR3sR7p2qvWAp2rAMO7rSCIwE-TWJ_J4WAReEHmLgC_-GgjD9VpfDlHazNE#disqus_thread

 

[danrjones]

For some perspective, I heard on the news today that Toyota is now facing an investigation for refusing to recall vehicles.

Due to, can you guess?

Battery fires!


12v Battery fires.
On ICE rav4s I believe.

 

[goldbrick]

On a related note, I had a 12V battery short to the frame in my mid-70's Datsun B210 while off-roading in the San Rafael Swell. Somehow, the current went mostly through the throttle cable which melted/burned up. I made it out by setting the throttle to a fixed position and then limping to Green River in 3rd gear. At a gas station there I rigged up a better setup by replacing the throttle cable with a piece of stereo speaker wire but it didn't move very well so I had to 'speed shift' all the way home to Boulder. Those were the days.

 

[LeftieBiker]

Not battery related, but when I was young I once worked for a car transporter, driving the extra cars that were left over when the truck was filled. One was a Plymouth/Mitsubishi "Fire Arrow" that had carb issues: it would only run with the throttle wide open. So for just about an hour I alternated driving between WFO and Dead Motor. It got a little tiring... Those auction cars often had little "issues" like that...

What exactly is that 12 volt battery issue? Bad cabling or connections, or batteries that actually catch fire...?

 

[cwerdna]

Between all of the Bolt, Kona, and Tesla pack explosions, I am feeling more and more comfortable with my passively cooled pack.

https://electrek.co/2021/07/08/chevy-bolt-ev-catches-on-fire-after-receiving-both-of-gm-software-fixes/?fbclid=IwAR3sR7p2qvWAp2rAMO7rSCIwE-TWJ_J4WAReEHmLgC_-GgjD9VpfDlHazNE#disqus_thread

Reposting URL w/o query string and bookmark: https://electrek.co/2021/07/08/chevy-bolt-ev-catches-on-fire-after-receiving-both-of-gm-software-fixes/. The author (Sean) is an admin of at least one Bolt FB group and semi-active on chevybolt.org.

Will be interesting to hear the findings. Will be bad news if the final remedy's extra monitoring and diagnostics proves to be insufficient. A few folks on chevybolt.org and FB groups have had their diagnostics fail at the dealer (and thus needed new sections or packs) or later hit the new DTC --> requiring dealer work.

If the new software isn't good enough, then it seems likely GM/LG might be on the hook for many more replacement packs.

My '19 Bolt was never recalled but there's an open item to install this not a recall item:

GM Program #:
N202323690
Date Issued:
Apr 29, 2021
Program Title:

Advanced Onboard Diagnostics Upgrade - Exp. 5/31/2023

Program Description:
Certain 2019 model year Chevrolet Bolt EV vehicles have a new software package of advanced onboard diagnostics.

Repair Description:
Dealers will update the software on the body control module and HPCM2 module.

I've not seen a copy of the procedure, but presumably it's identical to or an abbreviated version of the remedy for recalled Bolts (https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2020/RCSB-20V701-3618.pdf) but just "not a recall". I made an appointment for about a week from now.

 

[cwerdna]

Continuing my reply from https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=606976#p606976, all the Bolts (3) on my street near me besides mine at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=18907&p=591791&hilit=buttons#p591791 still exist and haven't caught fire.

The grey Bolt I'm pretty sure is a '19 or earlier as they asked me about inverter hookup to the 12 volt bus in late Oct 2019 when we had a PG&E PSPS ("public safety power shutoff") that affected us while I was in Japan on vacation.

The next door neighbor with a white leased Bolt I spoke about a week ago. His lease now ends in under than 2 weeks, maybe 1 now. He said he's considering buying it out while looking into newer '22 Bolt EV or EUV to lease instead (he rattled off some lease numbers). A few days later, I pointed him to some Leaf lease deals that I got served a Facebook ad for. The white Bolt apparently was his wife's car and it's barely driven now due to COVID and her WFH. From where she supposedly works, she should have free charging at work and a 40 kWh Leaf would be no problem for her commute. The HQ of that company is under 30 miles away (almost all highway).

I'm still puzzled why the husband within the next door neighbor household seems to drive around his Silverado truck (which likely gets poor gas mileage) instead of taking the wife's Bolt that mostly sits. I hinted to him in email recently that with 19 cent/kWh public DC FCing 5 miles from home, it's likely much cheaper to do that than to buy gas for his truck. He mentioned to me he hardly drives further than about where that DC FC is anyway.

Per https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=CA, regular gas in my city/metro area is currently averaging $4.37/gal.

 

[kuroneko]

I'm still puzzled why the husband within the next door neighbor household seems to drive around his Silverado truck (which likely gets poor gas mileage) instead of taking the wife's Bolt that mostly sits. I hinted to him in email recently that with 19 cent/kWh public DC FCing 5 miles from home, it's likely much cheaper to do that than to buy gas for his truck. He mentioned to me he hardly drives further than about where that DC FC is anyway.

Per https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=CA, regular gas in my city/metro area is currently averaging $4.37/gal.

Probably ego. A truck is a "man's" vehicle. He won't be caught dead driving his wife's dinky electric car. A lot of guys feel that hybrids and electrics aren't manly enough to drive. Just watch Jeff Dunham's bit on driving a Prius (it's not good, but you get the point).

 

[cwerdna]

Probably ego. A truck is a "man's" vehicle. He won't be caught dead driving his wife's dinky electric car. A lot of guys feel that hybrids and electrics aren't manly enough to drive. Just watch Jeff Dunham's bit on driving a Prius (it's not good, but you get the point).

LOL! I'm a straight male and AFAIK, he doesn't across that way but I I can see that. Good point. FWIW, I had a Prius for over 13 years but for about 7 years, I also had a Nissan 350Z that I'd bought new.

Continuing my reply from https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=606976#p606976, all the Bolts (3) on my street near me besides mine at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=18907&p=591791&hilit=buttons#p591791 still exist and haven't caught fire.
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The next door neighbor with a white leased Bolt I spoke about a week ago. His lease now ends in under than 2 weeks, maybe 1 now. He said he's considering buying it out while looking into newer '22 Bolt EV or EUV to lease instead (he rattled off some lease numbers). A few days later, I pointed him to some Leaf lease deals that I got served a Facebook ad for. The white Bolt apparently was his wife's car and it's barely driven now due to COVID and her WFH. From where she supposedly works, she should have free charging at work and a 40 kWh Leaf would be no problem for her commute. The HQ of that company is under 30 miles away (almost all highway).

Also continuing today, when I returned home from work, I found parked on the street was a new '22 Bolt EV (same color as their previous Bolt, white) w/temp CA "plates". I guess they made up their mind.

Also, the neighbor two houses away with a newer Bolt (probably '20 since it has no buttons on the rear door handles unlike the '17 to '19, they had a '17 before, IIRC) this morning I noticed a black Mustang Mach-E on their driveway plugged in along w/their white Bolt on the street + blue gen 2 Leaf (not w/temp plates) I'd never seen before. Anyway, when I returned home, their white Bolt and black Mustang Mach-E were still around. I wonder if they Mach-E replaced their black Toyota Highlander. I know they also had (and might still have) a BMW Z4 in their garage.

 

[DougWantsALeaf]

This is my favorite EUV review. Simply because of the box of twinkees and the reference to tubs of mayonnaise.

https://youtu.be/p8DJ44PlK_s

 

[cwerdna]

Between all of the Bolt, Kona, and Tesla pack explosions, I am feeling more and more comfortable with my passively cooled pack.

https://electrek.co/2021/07/08/chevy-bolt-ev-catches-on-fire-after-receiving-both-of-gm-software-fixes/?fbclid=IwAR3sR7p2qvWAp2rAMO7rSCIwE-TWJ_J4WAReEHmLgC_-GgjD9VpfDlHazNE#disqus_thread

Reposting URL w/o query string and bookmark: https://electrek.co/2021/07/08/chevy-bolt-ev-catches-on-fire-after-receiving-both-of-gm-software-fixes/. The author (Sean) is an admin of at least one Bolt FB group and semi-active on chevybolt.org.

Will be interesting to hear the findings. Will be bad news if the final remedy's extra monitoring and diagnostics proves to be insufficient. A few folks on chevybolt.org and FB groups have had their diagnostics fail at the dealer (and thus needed new sections or packs) or later hit the new DTC --> requiring dealer work.

If the new software isn't good enough, then it seems likely GM/LG might be on the hook for many more replacement packs.

GM warns some Bolt EV owners: Don’t park them inside or charge them unattended overnight
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/gm-warns-some-bolt-ev-owners-dont-park-them-inside-or-charge-them-unattended-overnight.html

Was unclear from what was there this morning if GM was confirming that the above two cars had the final remedy.

But https://my.chevrolet.com/how-to-support/safety/boltevrecall straight from the horse's mouth seems to more imply that they did get it...

JULY 14 2021 IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM GENERAL MOTORS

General Motors has been notified of two recent Chevrolet Bolt EV fire incidents in vehicles that were remedied as part of the safety recall announced in November 2020. Out of an abundance of caution, we are asking owners of 2017-2019 Chevrolet Bolt EVs who were part of the recall population to park their vehicles outdoors immediately after charging and not leave their vehicles charging overnight while we investigate these incidents.

Customers who have not had the remedy completed should still visit their dealer for the recall remedy while our investigation continues. At GM, safety is our highest priority, and we are moving as quickly as we can to investigate this issue

On chevybolt.org and some FB groups, we knew about the VT fire but we hadn't heard (AFAIK) about the NJ one.

 

[dhanson865]

from https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/comments/og8hy6/indepth_analysis_of_the_latest_chevy_bolt_fire/h5a228x/

As of yesterday, it's 8 confirmed battery-related and 5 under investigation.

13 have caught fire, and it's very likely most if not all under investigation are also battery related.

Two of the ones under investigation still are the Virginia (May 1) and Vermont (July 1) ones. Those we are certain are battery fires. The one from New Jersey is within the past couple of weeks but we have no details and included under the 5. Note the investigation numbers. That means there's one additional one between end of April and May 25th that they are investigating and we have no idea about. We also don't know about the one that was under investigation from before end of April. I would think that confirming NOT battery related is relatively quick.

Here's the list of what we have found so far:

https://allev.info/2021/07/list-of-known-chevy-bolt-fires/