derkraut
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Forgive the dumb question here; what would be the purpose of this rally? what is the goal? Looks like some major expense/time to prove what? :?
Ooops ... ya! the campgrounds ... but if you borrow the Roadster-to-14/50 adapter ... hmmm ... how many of those would we need ??? :shock:TonyWilliams said:LEAFer said:Just my 2c: The 6/29 sounds good ... with INDEPENDENCE DAY so close ... the rally can celebrate 7/4 !
All the campgrounds are full, and I might need a few of them !!!! At least their electrical power. You've inspired me to go straight down the 5 all the way !!!! It will cut off many hundreds of miles from the 2012 run.
derkraut said:Forgive the dumb question here; what would be the purpose of this rally? what is the goal? Looks like some major expense/time to prove what? :?
derkraut said:Forgive the dumb question here; what would be the purpose of this rally? what is the goal? Looks like some major expense/time to prove what? :?
TonyWilliams said:NYLEAF said:toasty said:anyone want to make a east cost version?
Sure! Montreal to Miami?
Key West, at the marker.
This sounds like a blast. I started my web browsing tonight looking for SCCA road rallies suitable for our LEAF, and found this thread. If the rally starts 6/29, I am in.LEAFer said:Just my 2c: The 6/29 sounds good ... with INDEPENDENCE DAY so close ... the rally can celebrate 7/4 !
BIGneutrino said:This sounds like a blast. I started my web browsing tonight looking for SCCA road rallies suitable for our LEAF, and found this thread. If the rally starts 6/29, I am in.LEAFer said:Just my 2c: The 6/29 sounds good ... with INDEPENDENCE DAY so close ... the rally can celebrate 7/4 !
You left out the apostrophe's in "car's", "name's", "time's", and "trip's".HairyCairy said:derkraut said:Forgive the dumb question here; what would be the purpose of this rally? what is the goal? Looks like some major expense/time to prove what? :?
I always believe that there is no dumb question.
What is the purpose of any rally? There are many different rally's. There are rally's For RV's, Motorcycle's, sports cars, antique cars. Rally's are some times hidden under different names like TDIfest 2013.
For me it's about getting together with a group of people who share the same interest's. How many people besides Tony, can say they have traveled the west coast in an EV. It could be almost like a yearly pilgrimage, bringing awareness to EV's. Taking that daily commuter you love so much and saying let's take a road trip. After all we are American's and do love our road trips.
Sometimes it not about proving anything, it's just about camaraderie.
On a side note, those TDI rally's are crazy, Not sure what they are trying to prove. I had to stop going because I was addicted to Transesterification.
Levenkay said:So as to lessen the chance's of presenting a spectacle of string's of LEAF car's smoking or on fire, though, wouldn't it be better to plan any such rally for a cooler time of year? Even at near-freezing ambients, a LEAF battery pack will get awfully toasty by the fifth or sixth QC.
TEG said:Some of the EV old timers think that these long distance rallys are a bit of a PR blunder.
They point out the limitations in EVs with things like wait times for highway charging & charger reliability/maintenance concerns in rural areas.
Also they force the need to maximize range (e.g.: by driving really slowly) which can annoy other cars.
TEG said:Some of the EV old timers think that these long distance rallys are a bit of a PR blunder.
I have to accept your verdict, I guess. Seemsta me, though, that everything BUT the battery ought to work better the cooler it is. Copper has a positive tempco, so all the wiring losses go down in the cold. Ditto for the power conversion electronics. That only leaves the battery, which, thanks to its poor heat dissipation, ought to self-heat to six bars by the 2nd or 3rd QC. After that, as far as the battery is concerned, it IS summer.TonyWilliams said:Levenkay said:So as to lessen the chance's of presenting a spectacle of string's of LEAF car's smoking or on fire, though, wouldn't it be better to plan any such rally for a cooler time of year? Even at near-freezing ambients, a LEAF battery pack will get awfully toasty by the fifth or sixth QC.
EVs don't handle cold well (diminished capacity and huge increase in power consumption).
The LEAF handles it worse than virtually every other EV out there, since they have TMS.
Don't like snow, cold, fog, overcast and rain.
Cooler temps don't aren't nirvana for quick charging (it's actually slower)
I used 10 quick chargers in June 2012 without incident (yes, the battery got hot)
Nobody expects fires on DC chargers... But maybe on Blinks with 6.6kW LEAFs.
TonyWilliams said:BIGneutrino said:This sounds like a blast. I started my web browsing tonight looking for SCCA road rallies suitable for our LEAF, and found this thread. If the rally starts 6/29, I am in.LEAFer said:Just my 2c: The 6/29 sounds good ... with INDEPENDENCE DAY so close ... the rally can celebrate 7/4 !
Where do you live? I'm curious if we get more folks hauling cars in at the beginning, or the end of the event!
For me, I can drive home afterward without even a recharge.
Did you find the thread on the all-EV "ReFuel" Event at Laguna Seca on July 1, 2012? With any luck, we'll be able to work that in, too.
Yes. BC2BC Return. Used an RV park and a proprietary Tesla Roadster plug (with borrowed adapter) in Yreka.BIGneutrino said:I'm used to the PlugShare orange blimps (level 3s) for Washington and Oregon. Has anybody gone I-5 from Medford to Redding?
TonyWilliams said:EVs don't handle cold well (diminished capacity and huge increase in power consumption).
Levenkay said:I have to accept your verdict, I guess. Seemsta me, though, that everything BUT the battery ought to work better the cooler it is. Copper has a positive tempco, so all the wiring losses go down in the cold. Ditto for the power conversion electronics. That only leaves the battery, which, thanks to its poor heat dissipation, ought to self-heat to six bars by the 2nd or 3rd QC. After that, as far as the battery is concerned, it IS summer...
Colder air is more dense, so if you drive faster this has more of an impact on range than it would in warmer ambient. However, the Heater is the big doozy, it can eat 10% without much trouble even if it's set as low as possible, and it is WORSE if you drive slow! I just heard from one of our customers (in Mill Valley) who is commuting every day with my climate control upgrade and he reports it makes about 15% difference in range for his commute! (It's running about 45-65 around here right now.) That's a savings of about 3kWh per day, so assuming he's paying about $.15 per kWh (probably more), He's saving enough each year to pay for the upgrade within 2 years. So it's essentially free to have the extra range if you need it. The only side effect is you must dress warmer!TEG said:Some say that colder air is more dense and so causes the car to use more energy to push through it, particularly at highway speeds.
Probably the biggest reason for less range in winter is use of the (electric) heater, though...
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