DarthPuppy said:Saw it at the La Auto Show today. I liked it a lot. IMO better styling than the new Prius.
You did look at the back of it, right?
I would say the back end is worse than that of its non-plug-in sibling.
DarthPuppy said:Saw it at the La Auto Show today. I liked it a lot. IMO better styling than the new Prius.
VERY unlikely, since the Prime charger is 3.3 kW and public chargers are mostly pay by the hour. Prime is the penultimate charge at home, use petrol for distance car.RegGuheert said:If these do become popular, expect to find Prius Primes clogging EVSEs everywhere.
VERY unlikely, since the Prime charger is 3.3 kW and public chargers are mostly pay by the hour.
GetOffYourGas said:Most public charge points here are $0.49/kWh. That's the same for the 3.3kW Prius Prime and the 7.2kW eGolf. For the Prius, it is far more expensive than gas. That's true for all PHEVs on the market. So unless someone is trying to make a statement (or simply doesn't know better), noone would charge any PHEV in public.
Yes, they are: The Chevy Volt topped the charts for customer satisfaction for multiple years. In other words, the Chevy Volt beat the Toyota Prius.SageBrush said:Third, Prius reliability and Toyota Customer Support are outstanding. Chevrolet/GM are .... well documented.
RegGuheert said:Yes, they are: The Chevy Volt topped the charts for customer satisfaction for multiple years. In other words, the Chevy Volt beat the Toyota Prius.SageBrush said:Third, Prius reliability and Toyota Customer Support are outstanding. Chevrolet/GM are .... well documented.
I do not own a Chevy Volt, but many on this forum own one or more of them. I have read very few negative comments from Volt owners.
And last year it was #2 behind the Model S. In other words, the Chevy Volt has beaten EVERY Toyota Priusin customer satisfaction EVERY year that it has been on the market. And the PiP is not even close in this regard (69% versus 85% for the Volt last year).Zythryn said:That is over four years old.
However, the Volt is still very high on the list. It is #3 at 90%, just behind the Covette at #2 and the Model S at #1.
While the Volt scores very high, GM as a whole, especially its dealers, do not.
So I would agree that GM reliability and customer support are lacking in general.
-For me the 4 passenger thing is kind of a deal breaker, wish it wasn't but it was one of the things that turned me off of the original gen1 Volt, didn't Toyota learn anything from Chevrolet's mistake :?RegGuheert said:I cannot see the appeal of the Prius Prime. What can you say about it?
- It goes almost half as far as the Volt 2 on batteries.
- It has 80% as many seats as the Volt 2.
- It's twice as ugly as the Volt 2.
- If you stare at its rear long enough, you see Optimus Prime.
It appears it has three things going for it:
- It costs 90% as much as the Volt 2.
- It goes 29% farther on a gallon of gas than the Volt 2.
- It has 87% more cargo volume than the Volt 2.
OK, perhaps that last one would win over some owners. Still, I think most will have difficulty choosing the Prius Prime over the Chevy Volt.
If these do become popular, expect to find Prius Primes clogging EVSEs everywhere. :evil:
RegGuheert said:And last year it was #2 behind the Model S. In other words, the Chevy Volt has beaten EVERY Toyota Priusin customer satisfaction EVERY year that it has been on the market. And the PiP is not even close in this regard (69% versus 85% for the Volt last year).Zythryn said:That is over four years old.
However, the Volt is still very high on the list. It is #3 at 90%, just behind the Covette at #2 and the Model S at #1.
While the Volt scores very high, GM as a whole, especially its dealers, do not.
So I would agree that GM reliability and customer support are lacking in general.
Again, to say that someone should choose a Toyota Prius over a Chevy Volt because "Prius reliability and Toyota Customer Support are outstanding" is nonsense and not based on the facts of the two cars' reputations.
LeftieBiker said:GetOffYourGas said:Most public charge points here are $0.49/kWh. That's the same for the 3.3kW Prius Prime and the 7.2kW eGolf. For the Prius, it is far more expensive than gas. That's true for all PHEVs on the market. So unless someone is trying to make a statement (or simply doesn't know better), noone would charge any PHEV in public.
In your location. You seem unconcerned by what happens in the rest of the country, so I'll stop trying to explain it. Hopefully there will be another round of charging station buildups for the Bolt and the point will be moot.
What part of "Prius reliability and Toyota Customer support are outstanding" are you disagreeing about ?RegGuheert said:Again, to say that someone should choose a Toyota Prius over a Chevy Volt because "Prius reliability and Toyota Customer Support are outstanding" is nonsense and not based on the facts of the two cars' reputations.
http://www.hybridcars.com/consumer-reports-names-tesla-volt-and-prius-among-winners-and-losers/The Chevrolet Volt is “no longer recommended” as it is on a list of vehicles with “declining reliability.”
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The kicker is “First-year reliability of the redesign has been well-below average,” says CR.
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