I know of at least one manufacturer that does... Tesla! But I'm sure you didn't want to hear that. :lol:
Nope, not these days. Remember, we are talking outside of warranty. Good luck getting Tesla to do anything after the warranty has expired.
I know of at least one manufacturer that does... Tesla! But I'm sure you didn't want to hear that. :lol:
I look forward to your proof that Tesla has denied battery replacement assistance to any owner for LEAF level degradation.Joe6pack said:I know of at least one manufacturer that does... Tesla! But I'm sure you didn't want to hear that. :lol:
Nope, not these days. Remember, we are talking outside of warranty. Good luck getting Tesla to do anything after the warranty has expired.
That is why I reframed your question asking for *any* complaints of battery degradation in a Tesla.Joe6pack said:Technically, Tesla doesn't have a degredation warranty, only a battery failure warranty.
I see you remain cluelessAlso, there is no easy method of identifying degradation on a Tesla as they do not provide access to the BMS.
SageBrush said:I look forward to your proof that Tesla has denied battery replacement assistance to any owner for LEAF level degradation.Joe6pack said:I know of at least one manufacturer that does... Tesla! But I'm sure you didn't want to hear that. :lol:
Nope, not these days. Remember, we are talking outside of warranty. Good luck getting Tesla to do anything after the warranty has expired.
Why are you asking about a case of car abuse when the question is Tesla response to battery degradation ?DaveinOlyWA said:SageBrush said:I look forward to your proof that Tesla has denied battery replacement assistance to any owner for LEAF level degradation.Joe6pack said:Nope, not these days. Remember, we are talking outside of warranty. Good luck getting Tesla to do anything after the warranty has expired.
was there not a Tesla owner who COMPLETELY bricked his pack? I heard he got something (after suing) but not sure what?
peter said:Just got off of talking to Nissan support after opening an out of warranty battery replacement assistance case for my 2011 Leaf two weeks ago.
He says the official Nissan word is that all out of warranty battery assistance has been ended since last week. Fini.
I have no idea what a "universally recognized" way is. If you mean goofy LEAF bars that Nissan changes their meaning on a whim, then no.Joe6pack said:Talk about clueless. There are plenty of stories about Tesla refusing work outside of warranty. You're trying to create a catch 22. Tesla has no degradation warranty nor do they have a universally recognized way to measure degradation.
Anyone have an actual experience to report, either of continuing their own process toward a discounted pack exchange, or a refusal from Nissan to do so, since the single post above from yesterday morning?peter said:Just got off of talking to Nissan support after opening an out of warranty battery replacement assistance case for my 2011 Leaf two weeks ago.
He says the official Nissan word is that all out of warranty battery assistance has been ended since last week. Fini.
sandeen said:peter said:Just got off of talking to Nissan support after opening an out of warranty battery replacement assistance case for my 2011 Leaf two weeks ago.
He says the official Nissan word is that all out of warranty battery assistance has been ended since last week. Fini.
Oh, man. My 2012 is on the edge, but I was counting on / hoping for some assistance if I didn't make it in time. What a bummer. You were talking to the NO GAS EV folks I assume?
Well, that's how goodwill (non)-warranty assistance always works...SageBrush said:Now we know: no obligation on their part to anybody.
Fair point. I suppose it only came up because there was a hope that Nissan had reconsidered their overall miserable handling of early adopters and owners of 2011/2012 LEAFs, and @DaveInOly conjectured that this was Nissan's way of discounting the battery replacement.sandeen said:Well, that's how goodwill (non)-warranty assistance always works...SageBrush said:Now we know: no obligation on their part to anybody.
Joe6pack said:I know of at least one manufacturer that does... Tesla! But I'm sure you didn't want to hear that. :lol:
Nope, not these days. Remember, we are talking outside of warranty. Good luck getting Tesla to do anything after the warranty has expired.
SageBrush: I'm not sure your claim here is correct. Tesla seems to be the one that is screwing with their "rated range" meter on a whim.SageBrush said:I have no idea what a "universally recognized" way is. If you mean goofy LEAF bars that Nissan changes their meaning on a whim, then no.Joe6pack said:Talk about clueless. There are plenty of stories about Tesla refusing work outside of warranty. You're trying to create a catch 22. Tesla has no degradation warranty nor do they have a universally recognized way to measure degradation.
kWh meter (multiplied by a constant) shown every time a Tesla is charged, YES.
cwerdna said:SageBrush: I'm not sure your claim here is correct. Tesla seems to be the one that is screwing with their "rated range" meter on a whim.SageBrush said:I have no idea what a "universally recognized" way is. If you mean goofy LEAF bars that Nissan changes their meaning on a whim, then no.Joe6pack said:Talk about clueless. There are plenty of stories about Tesla refusing work outside of warranty. You're trying to create a catch 22. Tesla has no degradation warranty nor do they have a universally recognized way to measure degradation.
kWh meter (multiplied by a constant) shown every time a Tesla is charged, YES.
In another forum I'm on, a Model S owner and a bit of a fanboy stated over a year ago:
"Yeah. They're constantly screwing around with the Algorithms they use to estimate range, so your Battery may not have degraded as much as you think, but it's showing less range because of the software update. So in other words... who knows? "
A quick few searches on "TMC": has turned up threads like these:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/7-1-range-algorithm-updated.60499/
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/rated-range-loss-after-1-year.25976/#post-546603
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/rated-range-loss-after-1-year.25976/#post-547018
sandeen said:If they had a budget for goodwill, and had done the assistance at closer to 50%, there would have been a lot more people helped out by the program, rather than a handful of 100%-80% concessions, with the latecomers getting zilch.
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