rmay635703
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There are 5000 evs and some change in the entire state of Wisconsin,
Each area of the country is different
Each area of the country is different
WetEV said:LTLFTcomposite said:We've had the $7500 subsidy around for six years now and plugin vehicles are like 0.000000001% of the fleet. Good jahwb.
Might want to find the real number, rather than a truthiness made up number. Facts matter.
"It used to be, everyone was entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. But that's not the case anymore. Facts matter not at all. Perception is everything." Stephen Colbert
LTLFTcomposite said:OK, I exaggerated.
I get 0.00199203187 using 500,000/251,000,000, or just a smidgen under 2/10ths of a % Pretty insignificant after almost six years. This year, U.S. sales of PEVs are running around 0.7% nationally, IIRR. I expect a small spike when the Bolt and Prius Prime arrive, but who knows if it will sustain once the initial surge tapers off. OTOH, OPEC is saying that this time they really mean it, they're going to cap production, so that might boost oil prices for a while and make EVs a better value, at least until frackers can ramp back up.LTLFTcomposite said:WetEV said:LTLFTcomposite said:We've had the $7500 subsidy around for six years now and plugin vehicles are like 0.000000001% of the fleet. Good jahwb.
Might want to find the real number, rather than a truthiness made up number. Facts matter.
"It used to be, everyone was entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. But that's not the case anymore. Facts matter not at all. Perception is everything." Stephen Colbert
OK, I exaggerated.
0.00197
Would you and Mr. Colbert be OK if we just round it off to to zero?
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LTLFTcomposite said:Some monster find in Texas was announced, so don't expect much help from higher fuel prices. Affordable 200+ mile range could be interesting, but I would refrain from using the words "game changer". Bolt/GM lacks Tesla's common sense charging network, so expect that to be the next excuse, along with the inability to tow a 30' boat :lol:
Bottom line most people aren't going to buy a car they don't want just because you put $7500 on the hood, particularly when that barely offsets the higher price relative to a comparable ICE.
Bottom line most people aren't going to buy a car they don't want just because you put $7500 on the hood, particularly when that barely offsets the higher price relative to a comparable ICE.
LeftieBiker said:Bottom line most people aren't going to buy a car they don't want just because you put $7500 on the hood, particularly when that barely offsets the higher price relative to a comparable ICE.
Some people seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll try to make it very clear. The federal EV credit doesn't make people want to buy an EV. It instead enables those with lower incomes who already want an EV to buy, or at least lease one (in which case they then get the opportunity to buy the vehicle for the residual). If you are affluent enough to scoff at the $7500, then just take my word for this, instead of scoffing because it doesn't make any difference to you, personally.
GRA said:...just a smidgen under 2/10ths of a % Pretty insignificant after almost six years. This year, U.S. sales of PEVs are running around 0.7% nationally, IIRR.
LeftieBiker said:Some people seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll try to make it very clear. The federal EV credit doesn't make people want to buy an EV. It instead enables those with lower incomes who already want an EV to buy, or at least lease one (in which case they then get the opportunity to buy the vehicle for the residual). If you are affluent enough to scoff at the $7500, then just take my word for this, instead of scoffing because it doesn't make any difference to you, personally.
Firetruck41 said:The government goal should not be helping a few people buy cars they otherwise couldn't afford, they should be making a significant dent in adoption/perception of EVs, if not, stop wasting money on making a few people feel good.
Even ardent supporters acknowledge that the Paris treaty by itself will do little to rein in global warming. The United Nations estimates that if every country were to make every single promised carbon cut between 2016 and 2030 to the fullest extent and there was no cheating, carbon dioxide emissions would still be cut by only one-hundredth of what is needed to keep temperature rises below 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit.
LeftieBiker said:Bottom line most people aren't going to buy a car they don't want just because you put $7500 on the hood, particularly when that barely offsets the higher price relative to a comparable ICE.
Some people seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll try to make it very clear. The federal EV credit doesn't make people want to buy an EV. It instead enables those with lower incomes who already want an EV to buy, or at least lease one (in which case they then get the opportunity to buy the vehicle for the residual). If you are affluent enough to scoff at the $7500, then just take my word for this, instead of scoffing because it doesn't make any difference to you, personally.
LTLFTcomposite said:Then this:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-trump-climate-change-plan-20161122-story.html
It should not need to be restated in 2016 that climate change is real and mostly man-made.
craig said:I attend several electric car forums, so I cannot recall if this is the one where you get deleted for even insinuating that climate change might not be a factually established claim?
craig said:Regardless, electric cars are the wave of the future. Electricity is infinitely renewable, from a plethora of sources, while oil, though plentiful now, is a limited and dwindling commodity.
Why burn something up if you don't have to?
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