mkjayakumar said:Somehow Nissan thought we are all idiots and will fall for that kind of juvenile nonsense. It is wasted real-estate space in the dash, and I would rather see GIDs or its equivalent in that space. The novelty wears off in a week..
tjlyerly said:nobody is debating the link of CO2 to temperature. (common misconception people have about climate skeptics) Just whether that impact is even measurable and is significat when compared to natural variations. The planet has survived much greater periods of warming, not just in the geologic past but during the Holocene period since the last ice age.
EVerlasting said:I like the trees and the dial that shows efficiency at a glance without taking eyes off the road. Its the best place because its right next to the MPH speedometer high up on the dashboard. The trees keep track of the entire LEAF's global fleets' CO2 savings which is something unique started by Nissan and now others are automakers are copying.
What is so inaccurate about the ECO TREE? When we drive slow and don't step on the go pedal too hard, the tree builds up faster. When climbing slopes uphill if we maintain the same KWh, the tree continues to build at the same pace. If we start speeding and drag race at every traffic light, the tree build up reduces or stops depending on how inefficiently we are driving. Its not guessing anything, its giving us real time feedback from the way we are driving, the amount of energy we are using or generating, etc.TomT said:Sorry, but the trees are just a poor and highly inaccurate approximation of your CO2 production, and the so-called efficiency meter is a joke that fails to properly consider many aspects of the Leaf operation and is about as valuable as the old vacuum gauges on ICE vehicles decades ago... Both can be easily fooled.
EVerlasting said:What is so inaccurate about the ECO TREE?
Nissan screwed up with Neutral coasting for sure. I am with you on that one. In fact, I wrote something related to this topic here in Oct 2013: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=14729&hilit=N+mode+coasting+regen I later found someone else wrote a similar post here: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11090&hilit=neutral+coasting+suggestionTomT said:I'll give you but one of many examples. Coast down a hill in N. Press and release the accelerator. Watch the efficiency gauge go from 0 to 100%. There are many more...
Wow! 80-85 mph for 35 miles out of 45 mile round trip and have 55-65% capacity left when you get home each night? You have a very special LEAF. If I tried doing 80-85 mph for just 10 miles out of my 50 mile commute, I would barely be able to make it back with an 80% charge. With a 100% easily but I definitely won't have 55-60% remaining. Maybe just 1 or 2 bars remaining.Flashman said:I for one have never made even one whole tree and I likely never will. :mrgreen:
Yes, so it's basically useless for me. Just my opinion here but I drive this car like a car.
My highway travel every day is average 80mph and I accelerate to pass people and just for fun!
Sacrilege! Blasphemy I know, but if I could not drive it like this, I would have never bought the car in the first place.
I did try for one afternoon to start to 'grow' a tree but realized what a pain I was being to other motorists in doing so. Personally, I also think when you do this you also teach other motorists to say, 'Ha!, I knew those things had no power, I'll bet it has no power and is slow!' I can say I have definitely seen folks give me a double take smile when I both run 80-85mph on the highway and I accelerate faster than 'the pack' leaving stop lights or up the on-ramps.
I have a daily ~45 mile round trip commuter drive (depending on where I eat lunch) of which ~35 miles are highway.
When I get home each night I have roughly 55-60% of capacity left. No worries!
I get having to hyper-mile if your commute is longer or if you need run close to total miles for a charge but otherwise your not helping the Leafs image to the potential new customer otherwise IMHO.
And if you have to grow trees just to make your daily round trip, you probably need a Tesla or more range to begin with. Promise, not trying to upset anyone and you can do whatever you want with your Leaf of course, these are just my thoughts and beliefs.
I charge to 100% each day (set by charge timer so only sits at 100% for maybe 20 minutes before I leave for work.)EVerlasting said:Wow! 80-85 mph for 35 miles out of 45 mile round trip and have 55-65% capacity left when you get home each night? You have a very special LEAF.
I would need to know more about your commute to understand why your's is so low?? maybe in NJ it's cold? loss of range?EVerlasting said:If I tried doing 80-85 mph for just 10 miles out of my 50 mile commute, I would barely be able to make it back with an 80% charge. With a 100% easily but I definitely won't have 55-60% remaining. Maybe just 1 or 2 bars remaining.
At 80, I recall about four bubbles with the cruise set.EVerlasting said:80-85 mph once passing everyone... most of the drive bubbles lit up
How fast were you going off highway average? Off highway for my commute is no more than 40mph tops (All 35mph speed limits & I run ave 5 over)... I pop out of my subdivision and hop on freeway, when I exit the highway I am at an office park so slow there too. as for the reviewers driving fast defeats the purpose... I disagree as I do it every day and it depends on each person's purpose of course. I bought this car for three reasons...EVerlasting said:I did 80-85 mph for a short stretch of 4.7 miles on I-80. After a round trip of just 22 miles, when i got home I had 3 bars remaining and that too because I drove efficiently throughout the remaining trip. This is when I understood what a YouTube LEAF reviewer once said: "Driving fast defeats the purpose of a LEAF".
I like the performance (it & cheaper than my ICE to lease vs gas cost per month is what really sold me)thankyouOB said:you will prematurely age the battery at that rate of driving and charging and recharging and battery cycling. but if you lease, you may not care.
My commute is about 50 miles round trip. I live on a mountain and most of Northern NJ is somewhat hilly. (Tom's River, NJ is on the shore and its not so hilly if I am not mistaken). My commute is to lower elevations gradually and then on return I have to climb the elevations again.Flashman said:I would need to know more about your commute to understand why your's is so low?? maybe in NJ it's cold? loss of range?
I drive at 41-45 mph on most 50 mph speed limit local highways which has a few traffic lights and slow moving traffic during rush hour. Some of the city driving is 25-35 mph which I drive at speed limit. I avoid the freeway (65 speed limit with most people doing 70-85 mph) option of my commute and take local highways for this purpose. I remember that during summer I could drive the 5 mile stretch on the freeway and still make it back home easily with the 80% charging. But now the cold has definitely reduced range especially when its very cold.Flashman said:How fast were you going off highway average?
I agree with you, purpose depends on each person. Terrain, climate, and commute routes also make a difference. You have the advantage with all of them.Flashman said:Off highway for my commute is no more than 40mph tops (All 35mph speed limits & I run ave 5 over)... I pop out of my subdivision and hop on freeway, when I exit the highway I am at an office park so slow there too. as for the reviewers driving fast defeats the purpose... I disagree as I do it every day and it depends on each person's purpose of course.
I bought my LEAF for similar reasons.Flashman said:I bought this car for three reasons...
1. Never go to the gas station again for my commuter car.
2. This car was free for me from Nissan as it's cheaper to lease it than it was to put gas in my ICE car to travel the same distance each month. I waited to buy until this was possible.
3. Since the EV1 that made me very mad when destroyed by GM (Movie: Who killed the electric car?) I have always wanted an EV, I'm a geek, love the technology and plan to add solar to drive completely free soon.
I would love to drive the way you do and I do sometimes. I like to take off from traffic lights. But I am in this for the long run. I plan to use this car for at least 2 decades. (My previous ICE I had for 10 years and another ICE I still have is a 1995 model). If I can maintain and use ICE cars for so long, imagine how long I can use the maintenance free zero emission LEAF. Of course I may need a new battery pack in 10 years or so but it is still worth it. Hopefully the future battery replacement packs will have improved range and other features.Flashman said:My ultimate point before all the detail was. Drive it! Don't bother with making trees!!! IMHO. :mrgreen:
Yes, the warm climate in Florida will cause a lot of battery degradation. But the high kW discharge rates you are using to drive extremely aggressively will also accelerate battery degradation. As will the increased charge cycles. The difference between 80% and 100% charging is likely the least important factor.Flashman said:...I expect since it only stays charged to 100% a very short time before I begin to drain it's not that significant.. hopefully
I would also bet the summers here will cause more damage than my charging habits... but since I bought at the end of Sept it has not yet seen a real Summer. I know heat is what really causes the degradation.
dgpcolorado said:Yes, the warm climate in Florida will cause a lot of battery degradation. But the high kW discharge rates you are using to drive extremely aggressively will also accelerate battery degradation. As will the increased charge cycles. The difference between 80% and 100% charging is likely the least important factor.Flashman said:...I expect since it only stays charged to 100% a very short time before I begin to drain it's not that significant.. hopefully
I would also bet the summers here will cause more damage than my charging habits... but since I bought at the end of Sept it has not yet seen a real Summer. I know heat is what really causes the degradation.
After two years I'd be mighty surprised if the battery of your car is in any shape that you'd want consider keeping it.
Like some others here, I find driving efficiently more interesting and entertaining than driving aggressively. And essential for being able to make my longer trips, although that isn't a factor for you and others who stick to very short trips. It is also a whole lot safer.
I actually watched the ECO Indicator go to full as soon as I began coasting down a hill in "N" yesterday, so your example is wrong.TomT said:I'll give you but one of many examples. Coast down a hill in N. Press and release the accelerator. Watch the efficiency gauge go from 0 to 100%. There are many more...
Did you press the accelerator while in neutral?EVerlasting said:I actually watched the ECO Indicator go to full as soon as I began coasting down a hill in "N" yesterday, so your example is wrong.TomT said:I'll give you but one of many examples. Coast down a hill in N. Press and release the accelerator. Watch the efficiency gauge go from 0 to 100%. There are many more...
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