DaveinOlyWA
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More hints at unknown enhancements for the 2013 model, which builds a bit of anticipation in me and well that was about all of it right?
I totally agree that a 9 bar warranty is useless for people who needs sufficient range to cover their trips. I think the minimum acceptable warranty should be at least 10 bars, which would be consistent with Nissan's advertised average of 80% capacity remaining after 5 years in their manual.jspearman said:This is great if you live in Seattle and want an extra feeling of security. This does absolutely nothing to address the underlying problem of Leafs in hot spots and the lack of a TMS. I've seen one car below nine bars, and it had 45 miles on the GOM at 100% charge; at that point my wife would barely be able to complete her 25-26 mile commute. This was a carefully crafted offer to essentially give nothing, but come out looking generous. So if I reach 8 bars you only have to boost me back to 9?
No thanks. I'll be calling Nissan today.
ksnogas2112 said:...I think falling below 9 during the new warranty period it would be appropriate to bring it up to 10 especially because the border between 9 and 8 is a very small window. The difference between 69% and 70% is nothing. The difference between 69% and 75% is more significant albeit still minute in terms of range...
...For LEAF vehicles whose batteries have fallen below nine bars during this period, Nissan will repair or replace the battery under warranty with a new or remanufactured battery to restore capacity at or above a minimum of nine bars...
ksnogas2112 said:The comments about adding TMS are fine and it would be great, but that would only apply to future vehicles and would still leave the current owners without recourse. It would be completely unrealistic for anyone to expect Nissan to recall 100% of the existing fleet to pull the pack and add TMS to 2 years worth of batteries. This isn't a floor mat stuck under the accelerator(Toyota) or a bolt strategically placed in front of the gas tank (Ford Pinto).
thankyouOB said:i wonder what the settlement is?
where can we learn about that.
also, does the warranty ensure that the restoration of 9 bars is not done by changing software or resetting the coding; rather that the software on the car will be left intact so that it is true restoration.
Yes, that's the most likely explanation. I welcome this announcement, and it's a right step in the right direction. I believe that I have full appreciation of what this means, and why it took so long, but I believe that I'm not alone to note that this was long overdue. The LEAF should have launched with this type of warranty in December 2010. Although the Volt is not considered to be a full EV, it always had a similar warranty, and I believe at the same percentage level too. That said, it's better late than never, and it's good to see some action.Weatherman said:20% loss in five years was always considered the "normal" or "average" or "median" loss, depending on what word you prefer to use. Nissan isn't going to provide a warranty that you won't fall below the average. That would be too costly. They chose a number enough standard deviations below average that the probability they will have to cover the replacement cost will be low.
No:reeler said:Will the Nissan-issued extended warranty that I purchased for my 2011 extend this battery warranty?
Nissan Security+Plus Vehicle Protection Plan said:8 WHAT IS NOT COVERED BY MY SERVICE AGREEMENT
8.1 Nissan Electric Vehicle lithium-ion battery (your 8-year/100,000-mile Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) factory battery warranty still applies. See the Warranty Information Booklet for complete details, terms and conditions).
TonyWilliams said:thankyouOB said:i wonder what the settlement is?
where can we learn about that.
also, does the warranty ensure that the restoration of 9 bars is not done by changing software or resetting the coding; rather that the software on the car will be left intact so that it is true restoration.
Folks don't settle lawsuits and then expose any gory details. Nissan will just say it had no merit (if they comment at all) and the results will be sealed. I expect they just made a cash offer that the plaintiff(s) and lawyers all agreed to, and like all these lawsuits, nothing changes substantially except cash.
Nissan gains, because just like buying up Arizona cars just before a judgement against them, there is no record of EVER having a faulty car. Just wild accusations and disappearing cars.
They wisely based their warranty on "9 bars", which they can (and do) make to mean anything they want. Again, bravo to Nissan.
For Nissan, I give this TWO THUMBS UP !!!!
None I could find, but perhaps others have better search tools at their disposal or some of this information will be shared from another source.thankyouOB said:is there is any news or disclosure about the settlement.
jspearman" said:I've seen one car below nine bars, and it had 45 miles on the GOM at 100% charge;
DaveinOlyWA said:ok so its a start. its the first sign that Nissan is amenable to customer needs but, oh! did I mention that they hinted at something very nice for 2013?...anyway it is somewhat how I expected it to go. the announcement comes right about the time that a supply of extra batteries will be available and because they are built in the U.S. available for a LOT less money.
what I really want (and fully expect) to see is a paid exchange program for ones who choose to maintain their SOC at a higher rate for a price.
What about the people (like about 80% of us!) that cannot handle a LEAF with a 30% loss? We have a willing LEAFer now who cant live a 15% loss who is open to a purchase/exchange and Nissan wont even talk to him.
hoping this announcement is the first step towards some real action regarding real options
Might be fun to keep a tally of yea and nay sayers, but I don't feel like going back through all the posts. :lol:surfingslovak said:This thread is such a fun read. It almost reminds of last summer. Please keep it coming, while I get popcorn
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