OrientExpress
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Vicki, has your car lost a bar or have diminished range?
edatoakrun said:"TonyWilliams"...So, is that the problem with my battery (and not mentioned in the owner's manual)?...
Tony, you are the only LEAF owner anywhere (AFAIK) who, through careful planning, intentionally subjected your battery to charge levels below VLBW dozens (or hundreds? Please report) of times.
edatoakrun said:Should Nissan now be responsible for not anticipating your behavior, in the owner's manual?
edatoakrun said:I think it's very unfortunate, that after subjecting your LEAFs battery to these conditions, you sold it, without disclosing your knowledge of its past abuse, and your suspicions of the level of battery degradation, to a new buyer. Now we may never know what the results of your past behavior will be, on this LEAFs future battery capacity. Continued reports on this LEAFs future battery capacity, would be very valuable information, IMO.
OrientExpress said:Vicki, has your car lost a bar or have diminished range?
edatoakrun said:TickTock said:Just got my car back too. Was told my capacity was read to be 87% which is also 10% higher then my own repeatable and cross-checked measurements. Only rational explanation I can come up with is they keep seasonal variation separate and are able to distinguish that from permanent degradation. Maybe they cold soaked the battery and ran the test - we'll find out in a few months, I guess.
My capacity bars, also, were reset so I am now showing 12 bars capacity again.
Indicating, perhaps, that a larger part of your LEAF's reduced capacity was due to seasonal variations (rather than permanent degradation) than for those LEAFs that come back with the same number of capacity bars?
Please update your spreadsheet, and add the after-the-check figures also, as soon as you get some.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An7gtcYL2Oy0dHNwVmRkNkFnaEVOQTVENW5mOTZlb0E&pli=1#gid=3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
dsh said:How do we get our Capacity Bars reset???...could this indicate the Testers in Casa Grande dowloaded new software to fix the capaciy loss issue...anybody have thoughts on how the Testers could have added capacity bars back on?
TonyWilliams said:Let's see, if I drive my Nissan gasoline car to empty, is there damage? Are there warnings in the owner's manual? Are there warranty disclaimers for such activity?
No. Nor is there for the LEAF. How you suspect the consumer should just magically know that there might be a problem, well, we just disagree.
Heres a news flash: there are now several (some not reported here) coastal climate LEAFs that never hit VLB or turtle, or left at 100% charge for appreciable lengths of time, or Quick Charged, which have significantly lower miles then mine and actually have lower Gid counts than my car did last week. My point is that while you're busy blaming me, I don't believe that anything I did comes close to the impact of the preexisting LEAF's battery design on degradation.
TickTock said:edatoakrun said:TickTock said:Just got my car back too. Was told my capacity was read to be 87% which is also 10% higher then my own repeatable and cross-checked measurements.
Interesting. My first 80% charge since getting the car back was 12% *higher* than what I was getting before handing the car over for evaluation. So their 87% assessment is pretty close to my own post-eval assessment.
DesertDenizen said:This is the full report from Scott.
I still have 3 bars missing, 48 miles on the Mileage Guess-O-Meter,
with AC @ 100% charge.
ALLWATZ said:New poster here (although I have followed site since inseption), so please be gentle. Lost a capacity bar on 8/3/12. Took it in for 1 year battery check up and told all O.K. (all 5 stars). Called Nissan (no-gas #) and was given a case # and told how to be more proactive about battery loss (very nice person but no idea about the fact how hot it gets in the Palm Springs area, hotter most days that Phoenix). I believe that Nissan has underestimated the impact of the temps on the batteries as do most of you. Info for wiki: vin#-6877, date of loss-8/3/12, mileage-9570, mfg date-6/11, purchase date-8/11, case #9137890, never quick charged or used L2-always L1 to 100%.
Decided to submit a complaint with NHTSA (no this isn't just a place for safety concerns, they also investigate defects in cars from power windows to heaters and such). I consider this issue to be a defect. If the cars in hot weather climates do not perform as well as the cars in other climates (and we were not told of this), that is a defect. As far as the comments of time left at high SOC, 100% vs 80% charge, QCs per week and all, Nissan has given me a report card (battery test) that shows 5 stars across the board. Their indications to me is that I am doing everything to spec and above (when I used to get all As in school, I usually passed the class). Complaint #10469729, submitted on 8/8/12, will be available to view in 72 hrs. I do think this a step everyone who has had capacity bar loss should take (https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.
Also, submitted an inquiry to Consumer Reports on 8/8/12 with the same concerns. If this a car they are going to review, they should investigate it completely, and this is also a form I would suggest everyone fill out (http://custhelp.consumerreports.org/app/ask" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false. This can be a little confusing (in fourth line click on Non-Consumer Reports product or services, click again for Share an experience and then click again on Defective but non hazardous).
As much as I think complaints should be submitted (to the proper place), I don't think NHTSA is the right place to submit capacity loss complaints. When you click on "Begin online form", you're taken to https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/index.xhtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which has a title "File a Vehicle Safety Complaint".ALLWATZ said:Decided to submit a complaint with NHTSA (no this isn't just a place for safety concerns, they also investigate defects in cars from power windows to heaters and such). I consider this issue to be a defect.
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I do think this a step everyone who has had capacity bar loss should take (https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.
dsh said:New Question....For LEAF owners who charge to 80% regularly...how many miles does does your dashboard read when you start out driving the car... 80 miles, 75 miles available? Curious to find out.
dsh said:Interesting...I am down 2 Capacity Bars, use L1 Charger and charge to 80% and when I first start vehicle, my battery charge states 12 bars, and in ECO mode I start out with 75-81 miles.
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